Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel

Heinz Groß - the rich one
◆ Father: Heinz Groß

(* about? 1250), † zw 1314/1317

In Nuremberg, first documented 1276-1306. Death between 1314-1317.

∞1) (about? 1273) with Sofie v. Vestenberg N631

(* about? 1250), † about? 1286

her father: Conrad v. Vestenberg Nc44 , (* about? 1215)

∞2) (about? 1287) with Gisela Esler N629

(* about? 1265), † after 1339

Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

her father: Konrad Esler N600 , (* 1215)
documented in 1253 in Bamberg. 1276 with his son Konrad citizen to Bamberg. See Eslr-21 / a

Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Margarete Gross Nn81 , (* about? 1274)

∞ with Heinrich Geusmid N664

(* about? 1265)

1298-1336 documented, ∞ Margret ... 1306 mayor. See Gsm-22 / h

his parents: Ropold / Rapoto Gewsmyd N665 , (* about? 1230)
1270-1288 in Nuremberg documentary. See Gsm-21 / r ; ∞ with (Elisabeth) Pfinzing N666 , (* about? 1240).

2. Heinrich, (* about? 1276) -, see Gros-23 / b

3. Conrad, c. 1280 - mayor Nbg, "the founder", see Gros-23 / e

4. Catharina Groß N771 , (* about? 1282), † after 1343
(sister of the mayor Conrad Groß)

∞ with Konrad Waldstromer N609

(* about? 1275), † 28.12.1357

His name is Stromer . After being loaned to the Nuremberg Forestry Office, he is alternately called Stromer and Waldstromer . "Konrad III". See Wstr-23 / a

his parents: Conrad Stromeir gen.Waldstromer N770 , (* about? 1245), † 3.2.1307
Forstmeister in Nuremberg. Documented 1270-1307. See Stro-22 / w ; ∞ (about? 1275) with Margarete Parsberger N610 , (*? 1250?
1309 ).

from 2nd marriage:
5. Bartholomew, (* 1288), see Gros-23 / i

6. Philipp, (* about? 1290) - council builder in Nuremberg, see Gros-23 / u

7. Anna Groß Ni56 , (* about? 1295), † 1357
No children.

∞ with Conrad Grundherr Ni57

(* about? 1295)

his parents: Werner dJ landlord N333 , (* about? 1255), † 1303
See Gru-22 / a ( Er ∞1) before 1289 with Kunigunde Turprecht H042 , (* about? 1265) ) ; ∞ (about? 1295) with Kunigunde Holzschuher H017 , (* about? 1275).

Regesten:
• Heinrich Groß / Magnus , also Reichheinz , Dives

• 1274-1298 , ext. 1306, † 1317

• ∞1) Sophie v. Vestenberg , † before 1298

• ∞2) Gisela Esler , † after 1339, sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .
[A.Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Bd.3 1963 p.16]

• In addition to the above children:

• Ulrich Groß , called 1315f., Married ?, † after 1350?

• Eberhard, monk ?, † 1331.
[Bullemer: Great]

• Berthold VII Pfinzing ∞ 1340 with ... Grosin , Tv Heinrich Gros ∞ with ... Eslerin .
[Biedermann plaque 396, Pfinzing]

• 1276: Friedrich and Herdegen the Holzschuher are Burgmannen of the burgrave Friedrich in his castrum Kraftshof ... Witnesses: Hermann and Sifrid called the Ebener , Heinrich by the surname Groß , Conrad called by Neuenmark , Berthold called Pfinzing Schultheiß in Nuremberg, Conrad called Stromaier , Wernher called Nützel , relatives (cognati) by Friedrich Holzschuher . Sealed by Friedrich Holzschuher alone, as his brother Herdegen does not have his own seal.
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2, 1834, p.54]

Apparently from a ministerial or landed gentry residing south of Nuremberg.

• As early as 1283 citizens in Nuremberg.

• In 1298 he sold to the monastery Ebrach the bailiwick of this to pass over the village Katzwang.

• Konrad, probably his eldest son, first documented in 1305.
[W. Schultheiß: Money and Financial Transactions ... p.67]

• Alleged parents (not assignable): The "Grindige Heinz" ∞ Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf.

• Heinrich Groß of the "Reichheintz" at the beginning of the main sequence. Also "Heinricus Magnus" . Documented 1276-1306.

• Henricus Gross , civis in Nuremberg, d. Sep. 6. 1284 (or 1283).

• Geisel Groß , Wwe of the "Grosse Heintzen", buys a bread bench at Sebalduskirchhof on 9.6.1339.

• His descendants s. [Friedrich Bullemer : The Nuremberg patrician family Groß in the 14th century, in: Bl.f.fränk.Fam'kde Bd.13 1989 p.137-166.]

• Scharr states that the daughter Catharina "probably" comes from the first marriage with Sophie v. Vestenberg.

• According to Gottlob Heckel, the grand come from the Reichs-Dienstmannen-Sex of the Groß v . (Hilpolt) Stein.
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.23]

According to miracle the son Konrad is to come from the first marriage with v. Vestenberg [miracle: "Pfinzing" p.39].

• According to Reddig, the son Konrad comes from the second marriage: "From the second marriage Heinrich Groß 'with Gisela donkey was towards the end of the 1280s Konrad Groß " (sources: mayor, Knefelkamp). [WFReddig: citizen hospital and episcopal city, Bamberg 1998, S.48]

→ Konrad was born according to his age of death around 1280 and not until the end of the 1280s. Therefore, he probably comes from the first marriage (HDL).

• The son Philipp from the marriage Heinrich ∞ v. Vestenberg.
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]

→ Or from the marriage Esler? (HDL)

• In [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Bd.45 / 46 2008] it says: Heinrich Groß ∞ 1285 with Sofie von Vestenberg , she * around 1270 in Steyerwald, daughter of the knight Konrad v.Vestenberg , who around 1293 married. This is not possible in time (HDL).

• 1303/1313: Heinrich Groß , a citizen of Nuremberg, has 2 tenths in Feldbrecht (near Neustadt / Aisch) and asks to transfer these goods to his sons.
[Internet Database 2013 Hochstift Würzburg Lehenbuch 1303-1313]

Regesta to Sofie v. Vestenberg:
• For her was stated: † before 1298. Because of the second marriage of her husband Heinz Gross, she would have died shortly after 1285. (HDL)

• 10.8.1340: Jahrestagstiftung of Konrad Groß for his parents Heinrich and Suffey.
[Miracle p.39 footnote 36]

Regesta to Conrad v. Vestenberg:
[Bullemer: Large p.139]

Regesta to Gisela Esler:
[Miracle MVGN 49 p.38] - [Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p. 23]

Regesta to Margarete Gross:
• Bullemer suspects that Margret, the wife of Heinrich Geusmid , is the daughter of Heinz Groß .
[Bullemer, Great]

• Age-appropriate, she can only come from the first marriage of Heinz Gross (HDL).

Regest to Catharina Groß:
• † after 1343 [Bullemer: Great]

[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.18,22]

• Comp. [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]

Regesta to Kunigunde Holzschuher:
• Cunigunda Holzschuherin , consort Mr. Werner Junior landlord , assessor at the Imperial Land Court and Senator to Nuremberg, married anno 1289, † anno 1303.
[Biedermann panel 166 Holzschuher, there, however, as a father another Heinrich Holzschuher stated, which agewise wrong. ]

Heinz married Esler, Gisela about 1287 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Gisela (daughter of Esler, Konrad) was born about 1265 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died after 1339 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Groß, Konrad was born about 1280 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; died on 10 May 1356 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; was buried after 10 May 1356 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.

Heinz married von Vestenberg, Sofie about 1273 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Sofie (daughter of von Vestenberg, Conrad) was born about 1250 in Germany; died about 1286 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Groß, Margaret was born about 1274 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in DECEASED in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Knight

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:

Heinz Groß
◆ Parents unknown
◆ (* about? 1220)

"The Scabby Heinz". 1289 in Nuremberg. ∞ with Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf.

Son:
1. Heinz, (* about? 1250) - the rich

Regesten:
[see the son]

• 1289 are Heinrich Groß d.Ä. and Heinrich Groß the Younger together in a jury:

• a letter from 1289: Kunigunda Turprechting , wife of Werner Gruntherr , bequeathed her estates to her brother's children (Berthold, Ulrich, Kunigund, Methild) that her husband had no power over it.
Issued by Schultheiß Marquart (certainly Pfinzing!) , Together with Heinrich Groß the parents, Werner Nuzel , Eberhardt Kessbasser , Berthold Forchtl , Cunrad Eßler , Weigel von Newenmarkt , Heinrich Groß the younger, Heinrich Holzschuher , as witnesses,

• Conrad Pfinzing , Berthold Turprecht , Werner Grundherr , Berthold Pfinzing Schultheiß and his father Conrad Pfinzing , Hermann vom Stein , Heinrich Staudigel , Leupold Staudigel .
[Internet 2013, Nuremberg Yearbooks vol. 1-2 p.83]

• Heinrich Groß "the Founder", knight, called 1289 in Nuremberg, ∞ with Anna Stertz / Straz , † 1293. - son Heinrich.
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Bd.45 / 46 2008] The father here is wrong (HDL).

Heinz married Straß, Anna in UNKNOWN. Anna was born in 1216 in Jahrsdorf, Roth, Bayern, Germany; died in 1293 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]