Konrad married Zollner named Geyer, Agnes about 1310 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany. Agnes (daughter of Geyer, Friedrich and Zoellner, Agnes) was born about 1295 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; died on 13 Aug 1342 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel

Heinz Groß - the rich one
◆ Father: Heinz Groß

(* about? 1250), † zw 1314/1317

In Nuremberg, first documented 1276-1306. Death between 1314-1317.

∞1) (about? 1273) with Sofie v. Vestenberg N631

(* about? 1250), † about? 1286

her father: Conrad v. Vestenberg Nc44 , (* about? 1215)

∞2) (about? 1287) with Gisela Esler N629

(* about? 1265), † after 1339

Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

her father: Konrad Esler N600 , (* 1215)
documented in 1253 in Bamberg. 1276 with his son Konrad citizen to Bamberg. See Eslr-21 / a

Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Margarete Gross Nn81 , (* about? 1274)

∞ with Heinrich Geusmid N664

(* about? 1265)

1298-1336 documented, ∞ Margret ... 1306 mayor. See Gsm-22 / h

his parents: Ropold / Rapoto Gewsmyd N665 , (* about? 1230)
1270-1288 in Nuremberg documentary. See Gsm-21 / r ; ∞ with (Elisabeth) Pfinzing N666 , (* about? 1240).

2. Heinrich, (* about? 1276) -, see Gros-23 / b

3. Conrad, c. 1280 - mayor Nbg, "the founder", see Gros-23 / e

4. Catharina Groß N771 , (* about? 1282), † after 1343
(sister of the mayor Conrad Groß)

∞ with Konrad Waldstromer N609

(* about? 1275), † 28.12.1357

His name is Stromer . After being loaned to the Nuremberg Forestry Office, he is alternately called Stromer and Waldstromer . "Konrad III". See Wstr-23 / a

his parents: Conrad Stromeir gen.Waldstromer N770 , (* about? 1245), † 3.2.1307
Forstmeister in Nuremberg. Documented 1270-1307. See Stro-22 / w ; ∞ (about? 1275) with Margarete Parsberger N610 , (*? 1250?
1309 ).

from 2nd marriage:
5. Bartholomew, (* 1288), see Gros-23 / i

6. Philipp, (* about? 1290) - council builder in Nuremberg, see Gros-23 / u

7. Anna Groß Ni56 , (* about? 1295), † 1357
No children.

∞ with Conrad Grundherr Ni57

(* about? 1295)

his parents: Werner dJ landlord N333 , (* about? 1255), † 1303
See Gru-22 / a ( Er ∞1) before 1289 with Kunigunde Turprecht H042 , (* about? 1265) ) ; ∞ (about? 1295) with Kunigunde Holzschuher H017 , (* about? 1275).

Regesten:
• Heinrich Groß / Magnus , also Reichheinz , Dives

• 1274-1298 , ext. 1306, † 1317

• ∞1) Sophie v. Vestenberg , † before 1298

• ∞2) Gisela Esler , † after 1339, sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .
[A.Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Bd.3 1963 p.16]

• In addition to the above children:

• Ulrich Groß , called 1315f., Married ?, † after 1350?

• Eberhard, monk ?, † 1331.
[Bullemer: Great]

• Berthold VII Pfinzing ∞ 1340 with ... Grosin , Tv Heinrich Gros ∞ with ... Eslerin .
[Biedermann plaque 396, Pfinzing]

• 1276: Friedrich and Herdegen the Holzschuher are Burgmannen of the burgrave Friedrich in his castrum Kraftshof ... Witnesses: Hermann and Sifrid called the Ebener , Heinrich by the surname Groß , Conrad called by Neuenmark , Berthold called Pfinzing Schultheiß in Nuremberg, Conrad called Stromaier , Wernher called Nützel , relatives (cognati) by Friedrich Holzschuher . Sealed by Friedrich Holzschuher alone, as his brother Herdegen does not have his own seal.
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2, 1834, p.54]

Apparently from a ministerial or landed gentry residing south of Nuremberg.

• As early as 1283 citizens in Nuremberg.

• In 1298 he sold to the monastery Ebrach the bailiwick of this to pass over the village Katzwang.

• Konrad, probably his eldest son, first documented in 1305.
[W. Schultheiß: Money and Financial Transactions ... p.67]

• Alleged parents (not assignable): The "Grindige Heinz" ∞ Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf.

• Heinrich Groß of the "Reichheintz" at the beginning of the main sequence. Also "Heinricus Magnus" . Documented 1276-1306.

• Henricus Gross , civis in Nuremberg, d. Sep. 6. 1284 (or 1283).

• Geisel Groß , Wwe of the "Grosse Heintzen", buys a bread bench at Sebalduskirchhof on 9.6.1339.

• His descendants s. [Friedrich Bullemer : The Nuremberg patrician family Groß in the 14th century, in: Bl.f.fränk.Fam'kde Bd.13 1989 p.137-166.]

• Scharr states that the daughter Catharina "probably" comes from the first marriage with Sophie v. Vestenberg.

• According to Gottlob Heckel, the grand come from the Reichs-Dienstmannen-Sex of the Groß v . (Hilpolt) Stein.
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.23]

According to miracle the son Konrad is to come from the first marriage with v. Vestenberg [miracle: "Pfinzing" p.39].

• According to Reddig, the son Konrad comes from the second marriage: "From the second marriage Heinrich Groß 'with Gisela donkey was towards the end of the 1280s Konrad Groß " (sources: mayor, Knefelkamp). [WFReddig: citizen hospital and episcopal city, Bamberg 1998, S.48]

→ Konrad was born according to his age of death around 1280 and not until the end of the 1280s. Therefore, he probably comes from the first marriage (HDL).

• The son Philipp from the marriage Heinrich ∞ v. Vestenberg.
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]

→ Or from the marriage Esler? (HDL)

• In [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Bd.45 / 46 2008] it says: Heinrich Groß ∞ 1285 with Sofie von Vestenberg , she * around 1270 in Steyerwald, daughter of the knight Konrad v.Vestenberg , who around 1293 married. This is not possible in time (HDL).

• 1303/1313: Heinrich Groß , a citizen of Nuremberg, has 2 tenths in Feldbrecht (near Neustadt / Aisch) and asks to transfer these goods to his sons.
[Internet Database 2013 Hochstift Würzburg Lehenbuch 1303-1313]

Regesta to Sofie v. Vestenberg:
• For her was stated: † before 1298. Because of the second marriage of her husband Heinz Gross, she would have died shortly after 1285. (HDL)

• 10.8.1340: Jahrestagstiftung of Konrad Groß for his parents Heinrich and Suffey.
[Miracle p.39 footnote 36]

Regesta to Conrad v. Vestenberg:
[Bullemer: Large p.139]

Regesta to Gisela Esler:
[Miracle MVGN 49 p.38] - [Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p. 23]

Regesta to Margarete Gross:
• Bullemer suspects that Margret, the wife of Heinrich Geusmid , is the daughter of Heinz Groß .
[Bullemer, Great]

• Age-appropriate, she can only come from the first marriage of Heinz Gross (HDL).

Regest to Catharina Groß:
• † after 1343 [Bullemer: Great]

[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.18,22]

• Comp. [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]

Regesta to Kunigunde Holzschuher:
• Cunigunda Holzschuherin , consort Mr. Werner Junior landlord , assessor at the Imperial Land Court and Senator to Nuremberg, married anno 1289, † anno 1303.
[Biedermann panel 166 Holzschuher, there, however, as a father another Heinrich Holzschuher stated, which agewise wrong. ]

Heinz married Esler, Gisela about 1287 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Gisela (daughter of Esler, Konrad) was born about 1265 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died after 1339 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Knight

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:

Heinz Groß
◆ Parents unknown
◆ (* about? 1220)

"The Scabby Heinz". 1289 in Nuremberg. ∞ with Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf.

Son:
1. Heinz, (* about? 1250) - the rich

Regesten:
[see the son]

• 1289 are Heinrich Groß d.Ä. and Heinrich Groß the Younger together in a jury:

• a letter from 1289: Kunigunda Turprechting , wife of Werner Gruntherr , bequeathed her estates to her brother's children (Berthold, Ulrich, Kunigund, Methild) that her husband had no power over it.
Issued by Schultheiß Marquart (certainly Pfinzing!) , Together with Heinrich Groß the parents, Werner Nuzel , Eberhardt Kessbasser , Berthold Forchtl , Cunrad Eßler , Weigel von Newenmarkt , Heinrich Groß the younger, Heinrich Holzschuher , as witnesses,

• Conrad Pfinzing , Berthold Turprecht , Werner Grundherr , Berthold Pfinzing Schultheiß and his father Conrad Pfinzing , Hermann vom Stein , Heinrich Staudigel , Leupold Staudigel .
[Internet 2013, Nuremberg Yearbooks vol. 1-2 p.83]

• Heinrich Groß "the Founder", knight, called 1289 in Nuremberg, ∞ with Anna Stertz / Straz , † 1293. - son Heinrich.
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Bd.45 / 46 2008] The father here is wrong (HDL).

Heinz married Straß, Anna in UNKNOWN. Anna was born in 1216 in Jahrsdorf, Roth, Bayern, Germany; died in 1293 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Life Event: 1254, Neumarkt, Neumarkt in der Oberpfalz, Bayern, Germany; Mayor

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Konrad Esler in Bamberg, Schultheiss Neumarkt
Father: Conrad? Asinarius
(* about? 1215)

1253-1275 two brothers of the same name in Bamberg. 1254 mayor in Neumarkt.

Children:
1. (Sofie?) Esler N612 , (* about? 1235)
Your first name is not Kunigunde. 11 children.
∞ (about? 1255) with Conrad Stromer
(* about? 1230), † before 20.7.1319
1283-1313 1291 Schöffe in Nuremberg. In 1313 he buys a meadow near Hersbruck. See Stro-22 / a
his parents: Conrad von Reichenbach gen. Stromer N579 , (* about? 1205)
Conrad v.Reichenbach calls himself after his wedding " Stromer" (urk for the first time around 1242). 1267 in Schwabach. Citizen Nuremberg. 33 children from 3 marriages. See Stro-21 / aoo ; ∞ (about? 1230) with (daughter) Stromer N580 , (* about? 1210)

he ∞2) (about? 1300) with Kunigunde / Anna v.Laufenholz N851

(* about? 1280)

2. Rudger, (* about? 1235/1240) - in Nuremberg, see Eslr-22 / a

3. Klara Esler N783 , (* about? 1245)

∞ with Fritz Kudorf N782

(* about? 1240), † 1333

ext. from 1270 See Kudf-22 / e

his father: Konrad von Küdorf Ni10 , (* 1215)
Ritter, 1261 in Nuremberg. See Kudf-21 / e

4. ... Esler N685 , (* about? 1247)
1317: "Konrad Eseler's sister" has 2 sons: Franz and Konrad. Is she a married Gundloch?

∞ with Gundloch Nb59

(* about? 1240)

1296/98 Mr. Withigo / Weyker and Mr. Gundloch his brother. See Gund-21 / e

his father: Gundeloch Nb60 , (* about? 1195)
1231 one of the "domestici" (= "housemates") of the Bamberg cathedral chapter. The same ?: Gundloch 1249-1262 Mayor of Bamberg. See Gund-20 / e

5. Konrad, (* about? 1250) - "the good judge", "the founder", see Eslr-22 / b

6. Gramlieb, (* about? 1257) - in Nuremberg, see Eslr-22 / c

7. ... Esler N604 , (* 1260), † 1310
Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

∞ (about? 1282) with Siboto Pfinzing N603

(* about? 1255)

1278, 1282, 1288 mentioned. 1317, 1319 Named. See Pfin-22 / s

his father: Siboto Pfinzing N602 , (* about? 1215)
1251-1266 (Nuremberg Urk'buch) among the first citizens and in the citizens' representation ("universitas civium") mentioned. See Pfin-21 / s ∞1) before 1251 with Anna Ebner N206 (* about? 1230)
∞2) (about 1258) with ... .... H865 (* about? 1235)

he ∞2) (about? 1311) with ... .... N605

(* about? 1280)

unknown second wife of Siboto

8. Gisela Esler N629 , (* about? 1265), † after 1339
sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

∞ (about? 1287) with Heinz Groß N630

(* about? 1250), † zw 1314/1317

In Nuremberg, first documented 1276-1306. Death between 1314-1317. See Gros-22 / a

his father: Heinz Groß Ni16 , (* about? 1220)
"The grindy Heinz". 1289 in Nuremberg. ∞ with Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf. See Gros-21 / a

he ∞1) (about? 1273) with Sofie v. Vestenberg N631

(* about? 1250), † about? 1286

 Children: 1st Bartholomew Great N105 , * (about? 1288), † 1358.2. Philipp Groß N774 , * (about? 1290), † after 1355.3. Franz Pfinzing Nh44 , * (about? 1380).
Regesten:
Summary : In 1253/1275 there are two brothers of the same name in Bamberg called Conrad Eseler , in Latin Chunradus Asinarius . (The terms "older / younger" are not to be understood as father and son.) In Bamberg you have a house "Im Bach" Nr.2001, Vorderer Bach Nr.5. The brothers are called "filii Asinarii" . Her father's name was Asinarius / Eseler .

• Presumably it is the descendants of the two Conrad, which are distinguished from 1392 as black donkey and red rot.

• 1253: Chunradus Asinarius in Bamberg. [Urk.Regesten z.Gesch. the cities of the Hochstift Würzburg 1172-1413, Regesta Herbipolensia III S.9]

• 1255: Chunradus et Chunradus filii Asinarii . [19.BHVB, Bamberg 1856]

• 1264: Cunrado et Cunrado fratribus, dictis Asinariis , civibus ibidem. [Regesta ... Boica ... vol.III, 1825]

• 5.12.1275 immunity representatives: Cunradus senior Asinarius ; Cunradus asinarius antiquus; Conrade Eseler the parent. - 19.11.1276 citizens.

• 5.12.1275 Representatives of Immunities: Cunradus iunior frater eius.
[Officials in the city court and in the immunities in Bamberg 1300-1500, in: Claudia Esch, between institution and individual, civil space for action in medieval Bamberg. Ergon-Verlag Würzburg 2016]
[Notes Fr.Zö. 2018]

• 1254 Konrad Eseler mayor in Neumarkt / OPf.
[Gewin: Bloom and decline of high nobility genders in the Middle Ages, 1955, p.176]

→ Gewin sets this Schultheiß equal with Chunrad v.Dietenhofen , who takes the surname Eseler . Why??? The Nuremberg mayor of 1254 is likely to be more identical to the Bamberg Cunradus Asinarius , whose eponymous son ("the good judge") mayor in Nuremberg and from 1295 also mayor in Neumarkt. (HDL)

• 1253, 1264: two brothers of the same name Cunrad filii Asinarii cives Bambergenses.
[Arneth p.242]

• 1264: The dean and provost of St.Jakob Eberhard of Würzburg records that he and the heirs of the noble, honorable and esteemed brothers Cunrad and Cunrad Asinarius (viris discretis et honestis nobis dilectis Cunrado et Cunrado fratribus Asinariis), citizens of Babenberch with the consent of Prince-Bishop Berthold (Count of Leiningen) and the permanent Vicar of St.Maria Albert (von Rindsmaul), a garden at their house, the extent of which he had confined to fences, as permanent possession.

• It is the house of the Eseler , Nr.2001, Vorderer Bach 5. - Later here: At the time of Bishop Wulfing (1304-1318) Cunz donkey with his wife Alheid.
[H.Paschke: The brook. Festschrift, Bamberg 1956, p. 8]

→ About the Father of Konrad Esler :

• His father: Chunrad v.Dietenhofen gen.Esler . [Threaded]

• Documented since 1253 in Bamberg. 1264 together with his eponymous brother Konrad. [Miracle "Pfintzing the Elders" p.62]

• Miracle does not name a father for this Konrad Esler. He considers Gewin's derivation of the Esler from the Dietenhofen to be outlandish.

• Herbert E. Lemmel ["On the tradition of the donkeys / donkeys in Bamberg and Nuremberg", Genealogy Jg.15 Nov.1966 S.433ff] argues against miracles and for Gewin. The v.Dietenhofen lead a donkey's head in the coat of arms.

• Conrad Esler is through his three children Conrad (whose daughter ∞ with Hermann Eisvogel) , Kunigunde (∞ with Conrad Stromeir) and Rudiger (whose daughter ∞ with Wolfram Stromeir) the progenitor of a tribe Stromer-Eisvogel and others, the trade and mining in the Carpathian region operate.
[Stromer, Hochfinanz, 1970]

→ Error note:

• Conrad Ass's father-in-law is the Bamberger Kämmerer Hartmann .
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "Contribution ....", 116. Ber. d. Hist. Association Bamberg 1980, p.117 = correction to previous publications]

• The chamberlain Hartmann is mentioned in documents 1268-1272.
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "... Gundloch ...", Genealogy Bd.8 Feb.1967 p.581]

→ Hartmann as father-in-law of Conrad donkey should therefore hardly fit in time! (HDL)

Regesten zu (Sofie?) Esler:
• Her first name is given in Biedermann with Kunigunde, which is the first name of Conrad Stromer's second wife.
[Scharr: Forest Streamers p.35]

• At [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964] their parents are given: Konrad Esler ∞ Anna Pfinzing. - That's wrong for a generation. (HDL)

Regesto to Kunigunde / Anna v.Laufenholz:
• (Kunigunde) v.Laufenholz ∞ with Conrad Stromer , 4 children. She is the sister of Friedrich v.Laufenholz .
[Scharr: Forest Streamers p.35]

• Conrad Stromer ∞2) with Anna v.Laufenholz , 5 children. She is the daughter of Fritz v.Lauffenholz ∞ Anna Eßlerin .
[Biedermann panel 460B Stromer]

Regesta to Klara Esler:
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.24, but there no father specified.] Assignment as a daughter of Konrad Esler only, because it fits in time. (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
• 5.12.1317: Provost Konrad v.Giech gives the Konrad Eseler and Franz and Konrad, his sister's sons, behind the coin a pound of pennies from customs to Bamberg.
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "Gundloch," Genealogy Feb.1967]

→ Is Konrad Esler's sister married to "Mr. Gundloch behind the coin"? (So ​​adopted by Herbert E. Lemmel.) Or who else lives "behind the coin"? (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
[Miracle, MVGN 49 p.38]
Her death 1310 [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesta to Anna Ebner:
• Not on the board Ebner bei Biedermann.

Regesten too ... ....:
• unknown second wife of Siboto [Wunder S.41]

Regesta to Gisela Esler:
[Miracle MVGN 49 p.38] - [Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p. 23]

Regesta to Sofie v. Vestenberg:
• For her was stated: † before 1298. Because of the second marriage of her husband Heinz Gross, she would have died shortly after 1285. (HDL)

• 10.8.1340: Jahrestagstiftung of Konrad Groß for his parents Heinrich and Suffey.
[Miracle p.39 footnote 36]

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Notes:

From Hans Dietrich Lemmel:
Conrad? Asinarius - in Bamberg
◆ Parents unknown
◆ (* about? 1185)
◆ The "Asinarius". His 2 sons named Conrad are called "Filii Asinarii" in 1255. (Maybe also father of Friedrich Asinarius?)

Children:
1. Konrad Esler, (* about? 1215) - in Bamberg, mayor Neumarkt, see Eslr-21 / a

2. Konrad, (* about? 1220) - Cunradus Asinarius iunior, see Eslr-21 / t

perhaps:
3. Friedrich Donel, (* about? 1210) - in Bamberg and Nuremberg, see Eslr-21 / f

Regesten:
• 1253, 1264: two brothers of the same name Cunrad filii Asinarii cives Bambergenses.
[Arneth p.242]

• Later, the black donkeys and the red donkeys are differentiated in Bamberg . These may be due to the two brothers of the same name.