Möring, Magdalena Barbara Thomæ

Female Bef 1671 - DECEASED


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Möring, Magdalena Barbara Thomæ was born before 17 Mar 1671 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany (daughter of Möring, Johann Anton Thomæ and Seifert, Barbara); died in DECEASED.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Baptism: 17 Mar 1671, Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Möring, Johann Anton Thomæ was born before 9 Apr 1631 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (son of Thomæ, Christoph and Hartmann, Catharina); died on 27 Jan 1690 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; was buried after 27 Jan 1690 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Baptism: 9 Apr 1631, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany
    • Education: 1654, Leipzig University, Leipzig, Leipzig, Sachsen, Germany; Graduated Summer Session
    • Life Event: Between 1655 and 1658, Bahra, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; Lutheran Pastor at Bahra
    • Life Event: Between 21 Nov 1658 and 27 Jan 1690, Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; Lutheran Pastor

    Notes:

    Johann Anton is indeed the son of Christoph Thomæ and Catharina Hartmann. But since he was six years old he was raised by his step father and eventually took the name of Möring.

    Johann married Seifert, Barbara. Barbara (daughter of Seifert, Kilian and Rosenfeld, Anna Margaretha) was born in UNKNOWN in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died before 30 Nov 1703 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 30 Nov 1703 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Seifert, Barbara was born in UNKNOWN in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (daughter of Seifert, Kilian and Rosenfeld, Anna Margaretha); died before 30 Nov 1703 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 30 Nov 1703 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Notes:

    Translated by Chip Kalb
    Barbara’s death record:
    The German transcription :

    Fr. Barbara   Pfarrwittwe zü Rappertshaüßen ist
    Mohringin,    den 30 . Nobris [ 1703 ] Christehrlich begraben worden.

    The English translation :

    Mrs Barbara   Pastor’s widow of Rappershausen [ in the Duchy of Saxe-Römhild ] was
    Mohring,         on 30 Nov[ember 1703]. given a Christian and honorable burial.

    Christehrlich = Christlich und ehrlich = “Christian and honorable” — yes, Christ is the German word for “Christian”.  Christus is the German title for Jesus of Nazareth.  It’s because of the Latin influence and it’s very strong in both the German language and culture, especially with one half of Germany in the Catholic Church.  We may say “Pope Francis” but the Germans do NOT call him “Papst Franz”.  They call him “Papst Franziskus” — Pope Franciscus in English.  But, unlike their Dutch brethren, they don’t use the Latin names for all the Popes.  For them, the Popes are Franziskus, Benedikt XVI ( not Benediktus ), Johannes Paul II ( not Johannes Paulus ), Johannes Paul I, Paul VI ( not Paulus ), Johannes XVIII, Pius XII . . . but St Peter is still Hl. Petrus.

    Children:
    1. Möring, Johann Thomæ was born on 14 Oct 1660 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; died on 1 Nov 1660 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; was buried on 1 Nov 1660 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany.
    2. Möring, Johann Tobias Thomæ was born before 18 Nov 1662 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; died on 22 Jul 1727 in Schalkau, Sonneberg, Thüringen, Germany; was buried after 22 Jul 1727 in Schalkau, Sonneberg, Thüringen, Germany.
    3. Möring, Anna Cordula Thomæ was born on 18 Mar 1667 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; died on 7 Apr 1711 in Milz, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried after 7 Apr 1711 in Milz, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.
    4. Möring, Juliane Maria Thomæ was born before 3 Jan 1669 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; died on 13 Feb 1670 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany.
    5. 1. Möring, Magdalena Barbara Thomæ was born before 17 Mar 1671 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; died in DECEASED.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Thomæ, Christoph was born between 1590 and 1598 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (son of Thomæ, HEINRICH); died on 6 Jun 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 8 Jun 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Lutheran Pastor, School Teacher, Headmaster in Hildburhausen
    • Life Event: Between 1614 and 1625, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Cantor
    • Ordained: 18 Dec 1625, Coburg, Bayern, Germany; Ordination
    • Life Event: Between 19 Dec 1625 and 1633, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Diaconal Lutheran Pastor
    • Life Event: Between 1633 and 1634, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Archdeacon

    Notes:

    Stephanus Thomæ, mein seeliger Vater, erblickte dieses Tages-Licht zu Hildburghausen auf Bartholomæi 1629. Die Eltern waren Herr Christoph Thomæ, anfangs Cantor, hernach Subdiaconus und endlich Archidiaconus daselbst, so 1634 im Herrn seelig entschlaffen, und Frau Catharina, eine gebohrne Hartmdnnin. Er frequentirte unter den damahligen Kriegs=Troublen anfangs die Schule daselbst, und gieng zugleich seinem Stieff=Vater Johann Möringen, sowohl in seinem Kirchner=Amt, als Becker Handwerck an die Hand, biß er sich 1646. auf das Hochfürstl. Gymnafium nach Coburg wenden, und daselbst mit dem Convictorio und famulatur kümmerlich hinbringen konnte. Endlich begab er sich nach Leipzig, difputirte 1652. unter Hn. M. Rothen de Sorite, und promovirte den 21. April 1655. in Baccalaureum. Als er nach seiner Anheimkunfft sich eine geraume Zeit in dem vornehmen Carpzovischen Hauß aufgehalten, und die altesten Söhne informiret hatte, bekam er 1663. eine Vocation zur Pfarr Wiesenfeld, 1668. zur Pfarr Neuhauß, und endlich 1678. Zur Adjunctur Sonnenfeld, allhier starb er den 22. Julii 1706 im 77. Jahr seines Alters, recht Lebensfatt, an einem Schlagfluß, und wurde in die Closter=Kirche versendet. Ein mehrers von demselben findet der geneigte Leser in dem von mir nach seinem Tod ihm verfertigten Ehren=Gedächtniß. Von ihm find zum Druck kommen:

    The English translation:
    Stephen Thomæ, my blessed father, [first] saw the daylight in Hildburghausen on St Bartholomew's Day [24 August] 1629. The parents were Mr. Christopher Thomæ, in the beginning Cantor of this place, and at the end Subdeacon and afterwards Archdeacon [also] of this place, who in 1634 fell into blessed sleep in the LORD, and wife Catharina, born Hartmannin. He frequented under the late military troubles the school of this place in the beginning, and went at the same time to his stepfather Johann Möringen in his office as a Kirchner [church's administrative assistant], as well as to the baker’s shop, working by the hand, until he in 1646 went to Coburg for the Great Princely Gymnasium, and passed the time at that place at the dorms [Convictorio] and in the classrooms [famulatur] in misery. Finally he went to Leipzig, apprenticed 1652 under Mr. M. Rothen de Sorite, and received his baccalaureate on 21 April 1655. As he informed the oldest sons, he was after his homecoming employed for a long time by the distinguished House of Carpzov and [then] received the call 1663 as the pastor of Wiesenfeld, 1668 as the pastor of Neuhauß, and finally 1678 as the adjutant of Sonnefeld, where he died on 22 July 1706 in the 77th Year of his age, still full of life, of a palsy, and was buried at the Klosterkirche. Also at the same place, the gentle reader will find that, after his death, I made the memorial in his honor. Of him it is here in print: [Actually, Christian listed three people who were buried with his father.]

    Chronik der Stadt, der Diözese und des Herzogtums Hildburghausen [Chronicle of the City, the Diocese and the Duchy of Hildburghausen], by Rudolf Armin Human, Ph.D (a Thomä fan). (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meninigen: Kesselringsche Hofbuchhandlung, 1886), pages 81, 82, 396, 397, 470

    Antiquitates et Memorabilia Historiae Franconicae [in Latin: Antiquitaties and Memorabilia of the History of Franconia, but the book is in German] darumen insonderheit der Ursprung / Einrichtung und Merckwürdigkeiten der Fürstlichen Residenz-Stadt Hildburghausen von denen âltesten biß auf die jetzige Zeiten aus bewährten Uhrkunden abgehandelt werden [in German: Especially concerning the origin, foundation and curiosities of the Princely Residence-City of Hildburghausen from the authentic documents that were employed from the earliest to the current times], by Johann Werner Krauß [Hildburghausen, Saxe-Hildburghausen: Johann Gottfried Hanisch, "privileged court publisher", 1753], pages 309 and 311. The title is quite a mouthful. That's why this book is known as just, "Antiquitates et Memorabilia historiae Franconicae besonders Hildburghausen". Maybe the success of his first book went to Mr. Krauß’s head but he wrote excellent chapters about two major schools in Hildburghausen - the Hildburghausen School and the Princely Gymnasium.

    Beyträge zur Erläuterung der Hochfürstl. Sachsen-Hildburghausen Kirchen- , Schul - and Landes-Historie: Zweiter Theil von der Stadt und Dioeces Hildburghausen [Contributions to the Explanation of the Church, School and Country History of the Duchy of Saxe-Hildburghausen: Second Part of the City and Diocese of Hildburghausen], by Johann Werner Krauß (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Hildburghausen: Johann Gottfried Hanisch, 1752), pages 274 and 383

    Because Dr. Human used both books by Mr. Krauß as his sources about Christoph Thomä, I'll summarize my findings for you about Stephen's father. According to Mr. Krauß, Christoph lived his whole life in Hildburghausen but he was ordained in Coburg on 18 December 1625 as a deacon. In 1615, he became the 11th Cantor of the Hildburghausen School. The position of Cantor made Christoph the assistant to the Conrector, the second in command of the school. In 1622, he succeeded his boss as the 13th Conrector [Assistant Headmaster], "mit Berbehaltung des Cantorats [with the support of the Council of Cantors]” His promotion also made him the Vicar of the “U.L. Frauen.“ (Maybe that's why his son had to keep going to school in spite of the Thirty Years War.) In 1633, he was elevated to the rank of Archdeacon (Hofprediger = Court Preacher), the position he would hold to the end of his life. He died on 6 June 1634. His widow's second husband, Johann Möring (1596-1676), was, in 1642, the 10th Kirchner of the Hildburghausen School and he was succeeded in this office by his next four descendants. He was in various offices of the Church for 40 years.

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    From National Library Coburg, Manuscript PM 1/65 : Christian Muhlfeld : Musician - book of the ducjy of Saxe - Meningen. Short biographies of musicians, cantors, organists, dilettantes who are born in the Duchy or have acted in the same Meningen 1908. Kantor, vice-pricipal; life datea is not identified. Thoma was 1614-1615 cantor in Hildburghausen, then vice principal.
    That Christoph Thomä is in the Musiker-Lexikon des Herzogtum Sachsen-Meiningen ( 1680 – 1918 ) [ Dictionary of Musicians of the Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen ( 1680 – 1918 ) ] ???
    Christoph Thoma (auch Thomä)
    Kantor, Konrektor; Lebensdaten nicht ermittelt. Thoma war 1614–1615 Kantor in Hildburghausen, dann Konrektor.
    QUELLE: Landesbibliothek Coburg, Manuskript PM I/65: Christian Mühlfeld: Musiker-Buch des Herzogtums Sachsen-Meiningen. Kurze Biographien von Musikern, Kantoren, Organisten, Dilettanten, die im Herzogtum geboren sind oder in demselben gewirkt haben. Meiningen 1908.

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    For Hildburghausen and its neighboring towns, 1634 was the year of das große Sterben [ “The Great Death” ].  The German Wikipedia article about the Stadtfriedhof Hildburghausen [ City Cemetery of Hildburghausen ] states that so many people died at the time that it became necessary to open a separate cemetery for plague victims.  Today, no one knows its exact location — the people were that traumatized — but it is believed to be south of Hildburghausen, on the banks of the Werra River.

    You might have already read all about it in the online timeline of Hildburghausen but it’s still worth a repeat, translated from the German :

    16 October 1634
    Feast Day of St Gallus.  The region is conquered by the Imperial General of Cavalry Johann Ludwig Hektor Graf von Isolani with his Croats.  The [ evil ] general is of Cypriot origin and leads a [ most ] cruel regiment in [ an orgy of ] pillage, robbery, torture and mass murder, after the Saxe-Weimar Cavalry has already withdrawn, on 9 October, in a hurry towards Suhl.  The incursion of Isolani, who came from [ Generalissimo ] Wallenstein, is to be regarded as a punitive act by the Emperor against the Thuringian princes, who were allied with Sweden.

    One example is Themar, which suffers terribly.  The Imperial Soldiers raze 209 houses with 269 apartments, the rectory, the German and Latin schools, the Amtshaus [ district administrative building ], a town hall with a Ratskeller, two gatehouses and others.  The city church with its works of art was spared by a happy coincidence.  An Italian officer is said to have extinguished the fire torch in front of the Marian altar.

    After the murderous arsonists have withdrawn, out of 300 people or heads of families, only 133 are counted, 40 of whom are healthy Bürger [ citizens ].  Next to the church there are “69 of the smallest houses” left.  In the memorial sermon given by Deacon Hölbe, 83 people, as well as the health of the 30 of them, are mentioned.  — Looting and pillage cause the damage of 149,282 guilders, 2 groschen and 8 ½ pfennigs.

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    From the death record of Christoph from Chip Kalb:
    I think Christoph Thomae died in his sleep but I can’t figure out the spelling of that word.  It looks like the writer was trying to show off by inventing a new word.  As you know, the Germans love to make combo words and this writer was apparently one of them.  He used “dormire”, the Latin verb for “to sleep”, “todt”, the German noun for “death”, and the Latin verb ending, “– irt” to create “doremtodtirt” [ died in the sleep ] but it didn’t come out right, not in that handwriting.  That writer should have laid off Latin and German shorthand and make the job easier for us translators.

    Buried:
    Buried in Plague cemetery.

    Died:
    Died in sleep, from plague.

    Christoph married Hartmann, Catharina on 4 Nov 1628 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. Catharina (daughter of Hartmann, Johann and Scheber, Anastasia) was born on 25 Oct 1607 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died before 2 Feb 1669 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 2 Feb 1669 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Hartmann, Catharina was born on 25 Oct 1607 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (daughter of Hartmann, Johann and Scheber, Anastasia); died before 2 Feb 1669 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 2 Feb 1669 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Notes:

    From "Klipper Stipendium [Klipper Exhibition]", author unknown, Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen-Meiningische Geschichte u. Landeskunde [Writings of the Saxe-Meiningen Association of History and Geography], 54. Heft [Issue No. 54] (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen: F. W. Gadow & Sohn, 1906), pages 74, 80, 94.

    Page 94:
    Stephen Thomæ was apparently the only child of Katharina Hartmann (1607-1669) and her first husband, Christoph Thomæ. He married Cordula, the daughter of Superintendent Michael Buchenröder of Heldburg, and their children, as well as Christian's own children, are listed on this page. Stephen's parents were married on 4 November 1628 but Christoph died on 6 June 1634. Katharina then married Johann Möring on 30 January 1637. They had at least four children. Although he was a baker, Johann was the city Kirchner with the Church of St Lorenz in Hildburghausen. He died on 13 January 1676. His parents were not known. But Katharina's parents are known. She was the second daughter of Antastasia Scheder (died 2 January 1659) and her first husband, Johann Hartmann, the Senior Mayor of Hildburghausen (died 5 June 1615). The parents were married on 21 October 1606 but, after Johann died, his widow married, on 1 March 1647, the Tuchmacher [draper] Paul Thein, who died on 11 December 1678.

    Children:
    1. Thomæ, Stephan was born on 24 Aug 1629 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died on 22 Jul 1706 in Sonnefeld - Hofstädten, Coburg, Bayern, Germany; was buried on 25 Jul 1706 in Sonnefeld - Hofstädten, Coburg, Bayern, Germany.
    2. 2. Möring, Johann Anton Thomæ was born before 9 Apr 1631 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died on 27 Jan 1690 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; was buried after 27 Jan 1690 in Rappershausen, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany.
    3. Thomæ, Margaretha was born on 10 Jan 1633 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Sülzfeld, Coburg, Bayern, Germany; was buried in Sülzfeld, Coburg, Bayern, Germany.
    4. Thomæ, Michael was born before 8 Jun 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died before 8 Jul 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 10 Jul 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

  3. 6.  Seifert, Kilian was born on 18 Mar 1599 in Coburg, Bayern, Germany (son of Seifert, Conrad and Hopf, Dorothea); died on 7 Nov 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 12 Nov 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Education: Gymnasium Casimirianum Academicum, Coburg, Bayern, Germany
    • Education: Coburg, Bayern, Germany; Ratschule
    • Education: 1618, University of Jena, Jena, Jena, Thüringen, Germany
    • Education: Between 1620 and 1622, University of Wittenberg, Wittenberg, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
    • Life Event: Between 1622 and 1624, Coburg, Bayern, Germany; Teacher
    • Ordained: 3 Feb 1628, Rodach, Coburg, Bayern, Germany; Lutheran Archdeacon
    • Life Event: Between 2 Feb 1634 and 1638, Ebenhards, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Lutheran Pastor
    • Life Event: Between 4 Jun 1638 and 1676, Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Lutheran Pastor

    Notes:

    He served the churches of Coburg, Rodach, Ebenhards and Bedheim.

    5. Kilian Seifert, Coburgenfis, Joh. Rosenfelds Endam, born 1599. When his father learned the craft and became a cloth maker, he had already helped his father weave 11 pieces of cloth. But he can be persuaded by an old cloth maker to go back to school, go through all classes, and be able to go to Wittenberg in 1620. He had to go home after 2 years because of the extremely harmful tipper system, and a Pædagogiam with Herr von Lichtenstein accept, whereby he provided at the same time the discharged school service. Anno 1624. He defended under Herr D. Find some Canones theologicos. A. 1628. He was appointed archdiaconate in Rodach, ordained on February 3rd and then also confirmed. Then he had the misfortune that in the Rodacher fire in 1632 his belongings exposed everything to him in smoke. A.1634. towards Candlemas he moved to the parish of Ebenhards or Mcbrig, where he had been appointed. But when the enemy came into the country after the lost battle in Nördlingen, he had to stay abroad for a while with the permission of his listeners, and leave his little fortune to the enemy and unfaithful neighbors to plunder, even when he came out again. endure all the hardships of the war until, on June 4th, 1638, after the death of his father-in-law, he was called to the parish of Bedheim. Also he faithfully held his office until 1676. November 7th, since he was 77 years old and 54 years old and had served at school and church sec. has died. M. Sebaft delivered the funeral sermon. Guth, Superint. to Hildburghaufen. vid. peter Franck. IC Thomas p. 68t. f M. Groß in the historical encyclopedia of evangelical jubilation priests Part II p. 211-214 So find in 108 years, viz. from 1568 to 1676 he was no more than three pastors in Bedheim.

    Kilian married Rosenfeld, Anna Margaretha. Anna (daughter of Rosenfeld, Johannes and Faber, Barbara) was born in 1614 in Römhild, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died on 20 Oct 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 24 Oct 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Rosenfeld, Anna Margaretha was born in 1614 in Römhild, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (daughter of Rosenfeld, Johannes and Faber, Barbara); died on 20 Oct 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 24 Oct 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Notes:

    Daughter of Lutheran Pastor Johann Rosenfeld and his wife Barbara Faber. He sired a long line of Pastors and wives of Pastors.

    Children:
    1. 3. Seifert, Barbara was born in UNKNOWN in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died before 30 Nov 1703 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 30 Nov 1703 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Thomæ, HEINRICH was born between 1570 and 1580 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Citizen of Hildburghausen and Kantor

    Notes:

    There is now definitive proof that Heinrich Thomæ is the father of Christopher Thomæ. From the 1618 marriage record of Christoph Thomæ to Anna Cob it reads:  “ . . . on the 10th of February in this place were married . . . Mr Christopher Thomas, son of Heinrich Thomae, citizen of Hilburg[hausen], and Anna Cob, . . . widow of Georg Tseretfuhÿ [ ?!?

    Children:
    1. 4. Thomæ, Christoph was born between 1590 and 1598 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died on 6 Jun 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 8 Jun 1634 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.
    2. Thomæ, HEINRICH II was born between 1595 and 1605 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Germany.
    3. Thomæ, Anastasia was born about 1600 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Germany.
    4. Thomæ, Margaretha was born between 1605 and 1610 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

  2. 10.  Hartmann, Johann was born in UNKNOWN in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died before 5 Jun 1615 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 5 Jun 1615 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Under Mayor for Hildburghausen

    Notes:

    Johann Hartmann was the under mayor for the town of Hildburghausen, Sachsen-Meningen, Thuringia, Germany.

    From "Klipper Stipendium [Klipper Exhibition]", author unknown, Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen-Meiningische Geschichte u. Landeskunde [Writings of the Saxe-Meiningen Association of History and Geography], 54. Heft [Issue No. 54] (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen: F. W. Gadow & Sohn, 1906), pages 74, 80, 94.

    Page 94:
    Stephen Thomæ was apparently the only child of Katharina Hartmann (1607-1669) and her first husband, Christoph Thomæ. He married Cordula, the daughter of Superintendent Michael Buchenröder of Heldburg, and their children, as well as Christian's own children, are listed on this page. Stephen's parents were married on 4 November 1628 but Christoph died on 6 June 1634. Katharina then married Johann Möring on 30 January 1637. They had at least four children. Although he was a baker, Johann was the city Kirchner with the Church of St Lorenz in Hildburghausen. He died on 13 January 1676. His parents were not known. But Katharina's parents are known. She was the second daughter of Antastasia Scheder (died 2 January 1659) and her first husband, Johann Hartmann, the Senior Mayor of Hildburghausen (died 5 June 1615). The parents were married on 21 October 1606 but, after Johann died, his widow married, on 1 March 1647, the Tuchmacher [draper] Paul Thein, who died on 11 December 1678.

    Johann married Scheber, Anastasia on 21 Oct 1606 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. Anastasia (daughter of Scheber, Michael and Klipper, Margaretha) was born in UNKNOWN in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died on 2 Jan 1659 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried after 2 Jan 1659 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 11.  Scheber, Anastasia was born in UNKNOWN in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (daughter of Scheber, Michael and Klipper, Margaretha); died on 2 Jan 1659 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried after 2 Jan 1659 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Notes:

    From "Klipper Stipendium [Klipper Exhibition]", author unknown, Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen-Meiningische Geschichte u. Landeskunde [Writings of the Saxe-Meiningen Association of History and Geography], 54. Heft [Issue No. 54] (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen: F. W. Gadow & Sohn, 1906), pages 74, 80, 94.

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    Anastasia was the third of four children of Margaretha Klipper and her first husband, Michael Scheber, "Einspännlger 1572 (1574 von seinen Stiefsöhnen 1. Ehe mit N. Naumann wegen 300 fl. väterlichen Erbgutes gerichtlich belaugt” [hackney driver 1572 (1574 was sued by his stepsons from his first marriage with N. Naumann for 300 florins of his father's inheritance)]”. Margaretha's second husband, Joel Siegler, was the mayor of Hildburghausen and the innkeeper of "Güldenen Engel [Golden Angel]”, who died on 14 Oct 1626 at the age of 80 years. Margaretha died on 6 Mar 1636. Dates of her two marriages are not known. Neither are the birthdates of her children.

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    From "Klipper Stipendium [Klipper Exhibition]", author unknown, Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen-Meiningische Geschichte u. Landeskunde [Writings of the Saxe-Meiningen Association of History and Geography], 54. Heft [Issue No. 54] (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen: F. W. Gadow & Sohn, 1906), pages 74, 80, 94.

    Page 94:
    Stephen Thomæ was apparently the only child of Katharina Hartmann (1607-1669) and her first husband, Christoph Thomæ. He married Cordula, the daughter of Superintendent Michael Buchenröder of Heldburg, and their children, as well as Christian's own children, are listed on this page. Stephen's parents were married on 4 November 1628 but Christoph died on 6 June 1634. Katharina then married Johann Möring on 30 January 1637. They had at least four children. Although he was a baker, Johann was the city Kirchner with the Church of St Lorenz in Hildburghausen. He died on 13 January 1676. His parents were not known. But Katharina's parents are known. She was the second daughter of Antastasia Scheder (died 2 January 1659) and her first husband, Johann Hartmann, the Senior Mayor of Hildburghausen (died 5 June 1615). The parents were married on 21 October 1606 but, after Johann died, his widow married, on 1 March 1647, the Tuchmacher [draper] Paul Thein, who died on 11 December 1678.

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    This is based upon the Kirchenbuch record of Anastasia marriage:
    From Chip Kalb:

    By the way, when I got your reply, I was eyeballing Joel Seigler, Margaretha Klipper andMichael Scheber up and down that Klipper Genealogy.  I couldn’t find anything wrong with any of them until I got to that infamous item about “Ihme sein Schwager Herr Joël Siegler des Rhats alhier” in that verdammt will.  When I read it as “my brother-in-law Mr. Joël Siegler of the [ City ] Council of this place [ Hildburghausen ]”, I remembered that, like the English language, the German language is not carved in stone.  It is always changing with the times, and not just in the spelling.  As any etymological dictionary will show in any language, words do not always keep the same meanings.  What might make perfect sense to Martin Luther in 1516 would not make any sense to his descendants in 2016!

    So I looked up “Schwager” in Ernest Thode’s German-English Genealogical Dictionary.  Here is his definition : “brother-in-law ; father-in-law ; relative ; good friend.”   ( It was the same in Ye Olde English. ).  So, when Michael Klipper wrote his will in 1606, Joël Siegler was still his “good friend”, not his “brother-in-law”.  He didn’t become his brother-in-law for real until 1614, when he married Anastasia’s mother.

    So why was Anastasia described as a privigna of Joëlÿ Siegler?   If her father had ever left a will, it is not available online.  But, if he did make his will, we can assume that he took his real brother-in-law’s suggestion and made Mr Siegler the legal guardian of his children.  Even if he didn’t, there might be bonds of guardianship for his children.  So, when Anastasia’s marriage record called her the privigna of Joëlÿ Siegler, it meant that she was his ward, not his step-daughter.  That means that her father, Michael Scheber, was already dead by 1606.

    Children:
    1. Hartmann, Ursula was born about 1606 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.
    2. 5. Hartmann, Catharina was born on 25 Oct 1607 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died before 2 Feb 1669 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 2 Feb 1669 in Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

  4. 12.  Seifert, Conrad was born in UNKNOWN in Neustadt an der Saale, Rhon-Grabfeld, Bayern, Germany; died in DECEASED.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Occupation: Cloth Maker

    Notes:

    It is noted that he emigrated. Was it to the United States? Conrad Seifert is a very common name.

    Conrad married Hopf, Dorothea. Dorothea was born in UNKNOWN in Steinau an der Straße, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany; died in DECEASED. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 13.  Hopf, Dorothea was born in UNKNOWN in Steinau an der Straße, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany; died in DECEASED.
    Children:
    1. 6. Seifert, Kilian was born on 18 Mar 1599 in Coburg, Bayern, Germany; died on 7 Nov 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 12 Nov 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

  6. 14.  Rosenfeld, Johannes was born on 23 Apr 1582 in Scherneck, Coburg, Bayern, Germany (son of Rosenfeld, Johannes and Schade, Dorothea); died on 21 Nov 1637 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Education: Between 1606 and 1612, University of Jena, Jena, Jena, Thüringen, Germany
    • Ordained: 27 Sep 1612, Coburg, Bayern, Germany
    • Life Event: 28 Sep 1612, Römhild, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Deacon
    • Life Event: 1620, Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Substitute Lutheran Pastor
    • Life Event: 1625, Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; Lutheran Pastor

    Johannes married Faber, Barbara on 16 Feb 1613 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. Barbara (daughter of Faber, Maximilian and Seitz, Susanna) was born in Oct 1592 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died in DECEASED in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  7. 15.  Faber, Barbara was born in Oct 1592 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany (daughter of Faber, Maximilian and Seitz, Susanna); died in DECEASED in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.
    Children:
    1. 7. Rosenfeld, Anna Margaretha was born in 1614 in Römhild, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; died on 20 Oct 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany; was buried on 24 Oct 1676 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.
    2. Rosenfeld, Johannes Hartmann died in 1698 in Bedheim, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany.