de la Marche, Poncia

Female 1091 - 1138  (46 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  de la Marche, Poncia was born on 1 Sep 1091 in Aquitaine, France (daughter of de Montgomery, Lord Roger III and de la Marche, Almodis); died in 1138 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried in 1138 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Countess of Angoulême
    • Appointments / Titles: Countess of de la Marche
    • FSID: LB7R-1BV

    Notes:

    Pontia de La Marche
    Birth: circa 1109 La March, Normandy, France
    Death: Angouleme,France
    Daughter of Roger 'le Poitevin' Montgommerie, comte de la Marche and Almodis, Comtesse de La Marche
    Wife of Vulgrin II, comte d'Angoulême
    Mother of Guillame Taillefer of Angouleme, Comte of Angouleme
    Sister of Amélie de Montgomery; Aldebert Iii de Montgommery, Comte De La Marche; Avice Peverell, Countess Lancaster & Nottingham; Boson de La Marche, Iv and Eudes / Odo Ii de La Marche, Comte

    Poncia married de Taillefer, Wulgrin II in 1123 in France. Wulgrin (son of de Taillefer, WIlliam V and de Benauges, Vitapoy) was born in 1089 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; died on 16 Sep 1140 in Bouteville, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried on 16 Sep 1140 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. de Taillefer, WIlliam VI was born on 20 Aug 1125 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; died on 7 Aug 1178 in Messina, Messina, Sicilia, Italy; was buried on 7 Aug 1178 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  de Montgomery, Lord Roger III was born in 1058 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France (son of de Montgomery, Count Roger II and de Bellême, Mabel Talvas); died in 1123 in Charroux, Allier, Auvergne, France; was buried in 1123 in Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: La Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France; Count
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Lancaster
    • FSID: L1ZP-FLP

    Notes:

    Roger de Arundell, described in Domesday Book as holding lands in Dorset and Somerset, 20 Will Conqueror, A.D. 1086.

    Roger married de la Marche, Almodis in 1108. Almodis was born in 1062 in La Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France; died in 1116 in Poitou-Charentes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  de la Marche, Almodis was born in 1062 in La Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France; died in 1116 in Poitou-Charentes, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: M692-VL6

    Notes:

    https://www.geni.com/people/Almodis-Comtesse-de-La-Marche/6000000000436362258?through=6000000001354495819

    Children:
    1. 1. de la Marche, Poncia was born on 1 Sep 1091 in Aquitaine, France; died in 1138 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried in 1138 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  de Montgomery, Count Roger II was born in UNKNOWN (son of de Montgomery, Roger I and Equiqueville, Josceline); died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; was buried on 27 Jul 1094 in Abbey of St. Peter, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Military: Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal advisors.
    • Appointments / Titles: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; First Earl of Shrewsbury
    • Nickname: The Great
    • FSID: LD9R-5G3
    • Occupation: Councilor to William the Conqueror

    Notes:

    Roger de Montgomery (died 1094), also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury, and Earl of Arundel, Sussex. His father was Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of Montgomery, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomery

    Life[edit]
    Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counsellors, playing a major role in the Council of Lillebonne. He may not have fought in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. According to Wace's Roman de Rou, however, he commanded the Norman right flank at Hastings, returning to Normandy with King William in 1067.[1] Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defence of England, receiving the Rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury; a few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later. In 1083, he founded Shrewsbury Abbey.[2]
    Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. William gave Earl Roger nearly all of what is now the county of West Sussex, which at the time of the Domesday Survey was the Rape of Arundel.[3] The Rape of Arundel was eventually split into two rapes, one continuing with the name Rape of Arundel and the other became the Rape of Chichester.[3] Besides the 83 manors in Sussex, his possessions also included seven-eighths of Shropshire which was associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey (4 manors), Hampshire (9 manors), Wiltshire (3 manors), Middlesex (8 manors), Gloucestershire (1 manor), Worcestershire (2 manors), Cambridgeshire (8 manors), Warwickshire (11 manors), and Staffordshire (30 manors).[4] The income from Roger's estates would amount to about £2,000 per year, in 1086 the landed wealth for England was around £72,000, so it would have represented almost 3% of the nation's GDP.[5][6]
    After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned king, William II, in the Rebellion of 1088. However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.
    Family[edit]
    Roger married Mabel de Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory straddling the border between Normandy and Maine. The medieval chronicler Orderic Vitalis paints a picture of Mabel of Bellême being a scheming and cruel woman.[7] She was murdered by Hugh Bunel and his brothers who, possibly in December 1077, rode into her castle of Bures-sur-Diveand cut off her head as she lay in bed.[7][8] Their motive for the murder was that Mabel had deprived them of their paternal inheritance.[9] Roger and Mabel had 10 children:
    ·       Robert de Bellême, Count of Alençon in 1082, he succeeded his younger brother Hugh as 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury. He married Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu and died in 1131.[10]
    ·       Hugh of Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, died without issue 1098.[11]
    ·       Roger the Poitevin, Vicomte d'Hiemois, married Adelmode de la Marche.[12]
    ·       Philip of Montgomery.[13]
    ·       Arnulf of Montgomery,[13] married Lafracota daughter of Muirchertach Ua Briain.[14]
    ·       Sibyl of Montgomery, she married Robert Fitzhamon, Lord of Creully.[15]
    ·       Emma, abbess of Almenêches.[16]
    ·       Matilda (Maud) of Montgomery, she married Robert, Count of Mortain and died c. 1085.[17]
    ·       Mabel of Montgomery, she married Hugh de Châteauneuf.[13]
    ·       Roger of Montgomery, died young.
    Roger then married Adelaide du Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.
    After his death, Roger's estates were divided.[18] The eldest surviving son, Robert of Bellême, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury.[18] After Hugh's death, the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.[18]

    Roger married de Bellême, Mabel Talvas. Mabel (daughter of de Bellême, Seigneur of Bellême and Alençon WIlliam Talvas II and de Beaumont, Hildeburge) was born in 1026 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried on 5 Dec 1079 in Troarn, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  de Bellême, Mabel Talvas was born in 1026 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France (daughter of de Bellême, Seigneur of Bellême and Alençon WIlliam Talvas II and de Beaumont, Hildeburge); died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried on 5 Dec 1079 in Troarn, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; Countess Castile
    • House: Bellême
    • FSID: M897-QTS

    Notes:

    Mabel was the daughter of William I Talvas and his first wife Hildeburg. She was the heiress of her father’s estates, her half-brother Oliver apparently being excluded. She also inherited the remainder of the Bellême honor in 1070 at the death of her uncle Yves, Bishop of Séez and Lord of Bellême. When their father was exiled by her brother Arnulf in 1048 she accompanied him until both were taken in by the Montgomery family. Between 1050-1054 she married Roger II de Montgomery, later 1st Earl of Shrewsbury. Roger II de Montgomery was already a favorite of Duke William and by being given in marriage to Mabel it increased his fortunes even further.

    Her husband Roger had not participated in the Norman conquest of England, but had remained behind in Normandy as co-regent along with William's wife, Matilda of Flanders. He had also contributed 60 ships to Duke William's invasion force. He joined the king in England in 1067 and was rewarded with the earldom of Shropshire and a number of estates to the point that he was one of the largest landholders in the Domesday Book.

    She and her husband Roger transferred the church of Saint-Martin of Séez to Evroul and petitioned her uncle, Yves, Bishop of Séez to build a monastery there on lands from her estates. The consecration was in 1061 at which time Mabel made additional gifts.

    Of all of Orderic’s female subjects Mabel was the most cunning and treacherous; if not entirely for her own misdeeds then as the mother of Robert de Bellême, who had a reputation for savagery as well as cruelty. In one passage Orderic describes her as "small, very talkative, ready enough to do evil, shrewd and jocular, extremely cruel and daring."

    In perpetuating her family’s feud with the Giroie family she set her sights on Arnold de Echauffour, the son of William fitz Giroie who her father had mutilated at his wedding celebration.[a] She obtained part of his estates when she and her husband Roger convinced Duke William to confiscate his lands. In 1063 however, Arnold was promised forgiveness by the Duke and was to have his lands restored. To prevent this Mabel plotted to kill Arnold. She attempted to murder Arnold of Echauffour by poisoning a glass of wine but he declined to drink. Her husband's brother, refreshing himself after a long ride, drank the wine and died shortly thereafter. In the end though she bribed Arnold's chamberlain providing him with the necessary poison, this time being successful.

    Excepting Theodoric, abbot of the abbey of Saint-Evroul, who she listened to at times, Mabel was hostile to most members of the clergy; but her husband loved the monks at Saint-Evroul so she found it necessary to be more subtle. In an incident in 1064, she deliberately burdened their limited resources by visiting the abbey for extended stays with a large retinue of her soldiers.[c] When rebuked by Theodoric the abbot for her callousness she snapped back that the next time she would visit with an even larger group. The abbot predicted that if she did not repent of her evilness she would suffer great pains and that very evening she did. She left the abbey in great haste as well as in great pain and did not abuse their hospitality again.

    Mabel continued her wickedness causing many nobles to lose their lands and become destitute. In 1077 she took the hereditary lands of Hugh Bunel by force. Two years later while coming out of her bath, she was killed by some men who had crept into the castle. Hugh had enlisted the help of his three brothers, gained entry to the castle of Bures on the Dives and struck off her head with his sword. The murderers were pursued but escaped by destroying a bridge behind them. Mabel's murder occurred on 2 December 1079 and she was buried three days later at Troarn.

    Her epitaph is notable as an example of monks bowing more to “the partiality of her friends than to her own merits":

    Sprung from the noble and the brave,
    Here Mabel finds a narrow grave.
    But, above all woman’s glory,
    Fills a page in famous story.
    Commanding, eloquent, and wise,
    And prompt to daring enterprise;
    Though slight her form, her soul was great,
    And, proudly swelling in her state,
    Rich dress, and pomp, and retinue,
    Lent it their grace and houours due.
    The border’s guard, the country’s shield,
    Both love and fear her might revealed,
    Till Hugh, revengeful, gained her bower,
    In dark December’s midnight hour.
    Then saw the Dive’s o’erflowing stream
    The ruthless murderer’s poignard gleam.
    Now friends, some moments kindly spare,
    For her soul’s rest to breathe a prayer!

    Mabel and her husband, Roger de Montgomery had ten children:
    1. Roger of Montgomery, oldest son, died young
    2. Robert de Bellême, Count of Alençcon in 1082, he succeeded his younger brother Hugh as 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury. He married Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu and died in 1131.
    3. Hugh of Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, died without issue 1098.
    4. Roger the Poitevin, Vicomte d'Hiemois, married Adelmode de la Marche.
    5. Philip of Montgomery.
    6. Arnulf of Montgomery,married Lafracota daughter of Muirchertach Ua Briain.
    7. Sibyl of Montgomory, she married Robert Fitzhamon, Lord of Creully.
    8. Emma, abbess of Almenêches.
    9. Matilda (Maud) of Montgomery, she married Robert, Count of Mortain and died c. 1085.
    10. Mabel of Montgomery, she married Hugh de Châteauneuf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabel_de_Bell%C3%AAme

    Children:
    1. de Montgomery, Countess Maud was born in 1039 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 12 Sep 1082 in Abbey of St Grestain, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France; was buried on 12 Sep 1082 in Abbey of St Grestain, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.
    2. 2. de Montgomery, Lord Roger III was born in 1058 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1123 in Charroux, Allier, Auvergne, France; was buried in 1123 in Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  de Montgomery, Roger I was born in 975 in Bayeux, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 7 Feb 1055 in Paris, Paris, Île-de-France, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Vicomte d'Hiémois
    • Nickname: The Great
    • FSID: LD9R-RCZ

    Notes:

    http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc38956180
    http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#RogerIMontgommery

    Roger married Equiqueville, Josceline. Josceline was born in UNKNOWN in France; died in UNKNOWN in France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Equiqueville, Josceline was born in UNKNOWN in France; died in UNKNOWN in France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: MBWQ-SF3

    Notes:

    NO KNOWN DATE OF BIRTH OR DEATH:
    - http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#JoscelineMRogerIMontgommery
    - http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#RogerIMontgommery
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    Children:
    1. 4. de Montgomery, Count Roger II was born in UNKNOWN; died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; was buried on 27 Jul 1094 in Abbey of St. Peter, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.

  3. 10.  de Bellême, Seigneur of Bellême and Alençon WIlliam Talvas II was born in 995 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France (son of de Bellême, WIlliam I and N.N., Mrs Mathilde); died between 1050 and 1054 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried between 1050 and 1054 in Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Nickname: Guillaume
    • FSID: L1R3-QH7

    Notes:

    Guillaume Alencon Talvas, Circa 995 - Circa 1055

    Guillaume Alencon Talvas was born circa 995, in Belleme, Perche, Normandy, France.

    Guillaume married Haberga Talvas (born de Beaumont).

    Haberga was born circa 970, in Alenon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Her occupation was Princess de Belleme.

    They had one daughter: Mabille de Montgomery (born Talvas).
    Guillaume passed away circa 1055, at age 60 in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France.

    He was buried in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Guillaume Alencon Talvas, Circa 995 - Circa 1055 Guillaume Alencon Talvas was born circa 995, in Belleme, Perche, Normandy, France.Guillaume married Haberga Talvas (born de Beaumont).Haberga was born circa 970, in Alenon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, Franc

    WIlliam married de Beaumont, Hildeburge. Hildeburge was born in 995 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1067 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  de Beaumont, Hildeburge was born in 995 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1067 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: GHT6-PH5

    Children:
    1. 5. de Bellême, Mabel Talvas was born in 1026 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried on 5 Dec 1079 in Troarn, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France.