de Vermandois, Hérbert I

Male 849 - 907  (58 years)


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  • Name de Vermandois, Hérbert  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
    Map of Vermandois 1465–1477
    Map of Vermandois 1465–1477
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    Birth 849  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
    Gender Male 
    Appointments / Titles Vermandois (Historical), Picardie, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Count of Vermandois 
    FSID KT4G-S84  [2, 3, 4, 6, 7
    Death 6 Nov 907  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
    Person ID I33877  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Father de Vermandois, Pépin II,   b. 15 Jun 818, Vermandois (Historical), Picardie, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 23 Feb 878, Milan, Milano, Lombardia, Italy Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 59 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Family ID F13250  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Children 
     1. de Vermandois, Hérbert II,   b. 880, Vermandois (Historical), Picardie, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 23 Feb 943, Saint-Quentin, Aisne, Picardie, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 63 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F13249  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
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  • Notes 
    • The name of Herbert's wife is UNKNOWN!
      THERE IS NO BERTHA DE MORVOIS!

      READ THE FOLLOWING:
      -- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#_Toc521223333 --
      -- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#_Toc521223334 --
      "THE NAME OF THE WIFE of Comte Héribert is NOT KNOWN. However, a 'Comtesse Liedgardis', different from the daughter of Comte Héribert II, is named who could have been his wife."

      -- https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_von_Morvois --

      "Seit den Untersuchungen von René Louis (1946), Daniel Misonne (1967) und Alain Dierkens (1985) wird die Chronik der Abtei Waulsort jedoch als Fantasiegebilde angesehen, insbesondere, was die genannte Genealogie angeht. Davon betroffen ist dann nicht nur die Ehe Berthas mit Heribert von Vermandois, sondern die Existenz Berthas überhaupt."

      Google transaltion:

      "However, since the studies by René Louis (1946), Daniel Misonne (1967) and Alain Dierkens (1985), the chronicle of Waulsort Abbey has been seen as A FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, especially with regard to the genealogical table as constructed. This affects not only Bertha's marriage to Heribert von Vermandois, BUT BERTHA'S EXISTENCE IN GENERAL."

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      “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “HERIBERT I, Count of Vermandois, with Saint-Quentin and Peronne, and lay abbot of Saint-Quentin, c.896-900/906, Count of Soissons and lay-abbot of Saint-Crepin, before 898-900/906, born about 850. HE MARRIED AN UNIDENTIFIED WIFE. They had one son, Heribert II [Count of Meaux, Soissons, and Vermandois] and one daughter, ___ (wife of Udo, Count of the Wetterau). In 896 he killed Raoul, brother of count Baudoin II. HERIBERT I, Count of Vermandois, was murdered 11 June, between 900 and 6 Nov. 907.
      Barthelemy Cartulaire de l’Abbaye de Bucilly (1881): 109. Halphen & Poupardin Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou et des Seigneurs D’Amboise (1913): 247-250 (Genealogiæ Comitum Andegavensium). Brandenburg Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (1935) V.3. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 3(1) (1984): 49 (sub Vermandois). Winter Descs. of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): V.3, VI.3-VI.5. Settipani & von Kerrebrouck La Préhistoire des Capetians (1993). Schwager Graf Heribert ll (1994). Tanner Fams., Friends., & Allies (2004): 308 (Vermandois ped.).”

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      Research by Friedrich R Wollmershhauser given to Sheldon Wimmer - HERIBERT I. VERMANDOIS, g.ca. 850,  06.11.907. From the Karolinger House, his father Pippin was a grandson of King Bernhard of Italy. Heribert, which is detectable in the sources from 877, was 886/898 Count of Soissons And Lay abbot From Monastery of St. Crispinus In Soissons, 888/889 Count of Meaux And MadrieAnd during this time was together with the Archbishop Fulco Of Reims, one of the leaders of the aristocratic opposition against the new king Odo of Paris, the 888 – 898 the first Robertiner On the French Throne was. On 28 January 893, the anniversary of Charlemagne of the Great Death, crowned Heribert and Fulco Charles the Einfumby, the son Louis the Stammler To the Counter-King, a measure that only succeeded after Odo's death in 898, partly because Odo gradually The party supporters of Charles moved to his side, including finally Heribert, to whom he was the important county in 896 Vermandois Handed. Heribert, after acquiring the Vermandois, expanded his power into the Champagne Without being held accountable by the king. On June 28, 896, he killed the Count during clashes over Vermandois. Rodulfus From the House of Flanders Killed. Like Fulco von Reims, Heribert was commissioned by the Count on 6 November. Baldwin II. Of Flanders, an older brother of Rodulfus, murdered. HERIBERT'S WIFE IS UNKNOWN.

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