FitzHerbert, Herbert

Male 1129 - 1204  (75 years)


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  • Name FitzHerbert, Herbert  [1, 2, 3, 4
    Birth 1129  Brecon, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 4
    Gender Male 
    FSID K2SV-HJ7  [3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
    Occupation Chamberlain to King Stephen 
    Death 18 Jul 1204  Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2, 4
    Burial Aft 18 Jul 1204  Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, Gloucestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Person ID I35501  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Father FitzHerbert, Herbert,   b. 1087, Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1155, Winchester, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 68 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Corbet, Sibylla,   b. 1092, Shropshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1157, Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 65 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Family ID F14156  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family FitzMiles, Lady Lucy of Gloucester,   b. 1136, Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1220, Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, Gloucestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 84 years) 
    Marriage Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. FitzHerbert, Sir Piers,   b. 1163, Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1 Jun 1235, Reading, Berkshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 72 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F14118  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 1129 - Brecon, Breconshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 18 Jul 1204 - Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - - Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
      HERBERT FitzHerbert [II], son of HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] & his wife Sibyl Corbet ([1125/35]-before 18 Jul 1204)
      m LUCY of Hereford, daughter of MILES of Gloucester Earl of Hereford & his wife Sibylle de Neufmarché (before 1143-[1219/20] or after, bur Lanthony Priory, Gloucester).
      ... A manuscript in Aske’s collections names “Milo…Erle of Herforde, Lord of Bricone and of all the Forest of Done, and also Constable of England…Sibbill wiff of the seid Milo…Luce the third daughter of the seid Milo Erle…” among those buried at Lanthony Priory[636].

      Herbert & his wife had two children:
      1. REYNOLD FitzHerbert (-[1190/92]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.
      2. PIERS FitzHerbert of Blaenllyfni (-before 6 Jun 1235, bur Reading).
      ... The Annals of Tewkesbury record the death "Kal Jul" [date must be inaccurate in light of the 6 Jun 1235 order cited under his son Herbert] in 1235 of “Petrus filius Hereberti” and his burial at Reading[644].
      m firstly (marriage settlement 28 Nov 1203) ALICE, daughter of ROBERT FitzRoger of Warkworth & his wife Margery de Chesney. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
      m secondly as her second husband, ISABEL de Ferrers, widow of ROGER de Mortimer of Wigmore, daughter of WALKELIN de Ferrers & his wife --- (-before 29 Apr 1252, bur Lechlade). A manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey records that “Isabella…filia domini de Ferrers de Lechlade” was the second wife of “domini Rogeri”, adding that she became a nun “apud Lechelade” and was buried there[645]. “Rogerus de Mortuomari…et dominæ Isabellæ uxoris meæ” donated property to Kington St Michael by undated charter, witnessed by “Philippo de Mortuomari…”[646]. An order dated [Apr] 1225 delayed repayment from "Peter fitz Herbert and Isabella his wife" of a "debt of Henry de Ferrers brother of the same Isabella"[647]. King Henry III confirmed inheritance of property by "Henricus de Fraxneto" to "Petro filio Herberti et Isabelle uxori eius" dated [Jun] 1232[648].
      Piers & his first wife had two children:
      a) HERBERT FitzPiers of Blaenllyfni (-before 27 May 1248). A document dated 6 Jun 1235 records the homage of “Herbert son of Peter fitz Herbert and heir of the same” for the property “which Peter fitz Herbert held in chief and which fall to Herbert by hereditary right” to which he was granted full right[649].
      b) REYNOLD FitzPiers (-4/5 May 1286). "Reginald son of Peter" was granted rights in "demesne lands in Lechamstede, co. Berks" dated 26 Sep 1257[650].

      3. MATTHEW FitzHerbert (-[13 Jun 1230/Feb 1231]). The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Mathaeus filius Herberti" holding one knight’s fee "Stoke" in Wiltshire, and one in Devonshire from "honor Gloucestriæ", in [1210/12][651]. A letter of Henry III King of England to the bishop of Rochester, dated 13 Jun 1230, appointing him to make an assize of arms in Kent, names "Petrus filius Hereberti…Matthæus filius Hereberti" as those charged with a similar exercise in Berkshire and Wiltshire respectively[652]. Matthew, his wife and descendants are shown by Eyton but the primary sources which confirm the information have not yet been identified[653]. m (before Jun 1200) JOAN Patric, daughter of --- & his wife Mabel Patric[654] (-after 21 Feb 1231). Bracton records a claim, dated 1219, by "Robertus filius Briani, Oliuerus Auenel, Gaufridus Talebot et Adam de Dornapetona" against "Matheum filium Hereberti et Johannam uxorem eius"[655].
      Matthew & his wife had three children:
      a) HERBERT FitzMatthew (-3 or 5 Feb 1245). "Herbert son of Matthew" was granted "the manor of Warblinton, late of Robert de Curcy" dated 10 Jun 1231[656]. "Herbert son of Matthew" was granted "a weekly market…at Emeleswurth…" dated 20 Apr 1239[657]. m MILLICENT Paynell, daughter of WILLIAM Paynell of Bampton, Devon & his wife Alice Briwere (-before 1249). The Complete Peerage states that Herbert FitzMatthew married “Milicent da. and coh. of William Paynel of Bampton, Devon” but does not cite the corresponding primary source[658]. An indication of the connection between the two families is provided by the order dated 4 Feb 1228 under which Henry III King of England granted "custodiam terre et heredis Willelmi Paynel" to "Hereberto filio Mathey" and ordered the sheriff of Devon to release them to him[659]. She must have died childless before 1249 when an inquisitions after her brother’s death name his sister Aude as his heir.
      b) PETER FitzMatthew (-1255). Land recovered from "Peter son of Matthew" was regranted dated 18 Aug 1252[660].
      c) JOHN FitzMatthew (-before 19 Jan 1261). A debt of "Peter son of Matthew" was granted, to be received from "John son of Matthew brother and heir of the said Peter son of Matthew" dated 28 Dec 1256[661]. m[662] as her first husband, MARGARET de Berkeley, daughter of THOMAS de Berkeley of Berkeley, Gloucestershire & his wife Joan [de Somery]. She married secondly (before 18 Oct 1265) Ansel Basset of Winford and Saltford, Somerset.
      John & his wife had one child:
      i) MATTHEW FitzJohn (-31 May 1309). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. m ELEANOR, daughter of --- (-after 4 Jul 1325). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

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