Whalesborough, John II

Male 1369 - 1418  (49 years)


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  • Name Whalesborough, John  [1
    Suffix II 
    Birth 1369  Whalesborough, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    FSID GMST-FH8 
    Death 10 Jan 1418  Nettlecombe, Dorset, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Person ID I35645  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Family Raleigh, Joan,   b. 1372, Williton, Somerset, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1435, Nettlecombe, Somerset, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 63 years) 
    Marriage Abt 1399  England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Whalesborough, Margery Anne,   b. 1381, Whalesborough, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 26 Mar 1439, Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 58 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F14204  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
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  • Notes 
    • Source : https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whalesborough-3

      1369 Birth and Parents
      John Whalesborough [1] was born c1369. His father’s IPM in March 1381/82 says he was 15 years old, however an entry in the fine rolls regarding the dispute over his father’s lands states he was only 13. [2,3] He apparently didn’t make proof of his age until June 1391 supporting the later birthdate. [4] His wardship was first committed to his mother and her 2nd husband, then passed in June 1383 to William, Lord Botreaux, with whom they remained unt[1] il he proved his age in June 1391 and gained control over his inheritance.

      1391 License to Celebrate
      He had a license to celebrate at Lamorran 20 December 1391. [5] [1]

      Public Offices
      He was Commissioner of Array for Cornwall in 1399, 1403 and 1405; Knight of the Shire for Cornwall in 1402; Justice of the Peace 1403-1407. [6] [1]

      High Sheriff of Cornwall
      John Whalesborough[2], Esq., Justice of the Peace for Cornwall was born circa 1369 at of Whalesborough, Cornwall, England [3].

      1399 Marriage to Joan Raleigh
      He married, by 1399, Joan, daughter of Sir John Raleigh, of Nettlecombe, Somersetshire. On the death of her brother Simon, the estates of Raleigh of Nettlecombe would pass to her son Thomas, and then to his daughter Elizabeth. [7,8,9] She married 2ndly, Sir Thomas Pomeroy, and died testate in 1435/6; she is buried in Grey Friars in London. [10,11] [1]

      He married Jane Raleigh, daughter of Sir John Raleigh and Isamina de Hanham, before 1399.[4] John Whalesborough, Esq., Justice of the Peace for Cornwall died on 10 January 1418.[5][6]

      Rank of Esquire
      Douglas Richardson notes that "John Whalesborough (died 1418) who married Joan Raleigh held the social rank of esquire as indicated by the following record concerning the burial of his daughter, Anne, Lady Moleyns:

      Kingsford, Grey Friars of London (1915): 96 (“Et ad sinistram eorum jacet sub lapide ad murum chori venerabilis domina, domina Anna Molens, vxor domini Willelmi domini de Molens, et filia Johannis Whalysburgh, armigeri, de comitatu Cornubie: que obiit prima die mensis Marcii, A° dni. 1487.”)" [7]
      1418 Death
      He died 10 Jan 1418 with writ to take his lands into the King’s hands on 17 January. [12,13] An IPM was taken which I have not yet seen but a subsequent Close Roll writ shows him holding land at Whalesborough, Uthno, Treroos, Byryherber, Raghtre, Skywyek, Boskarne, Trewarueneth, Lamelwyn, Lantyrek, Chynans, Treseder and Lancarf. [14] [1]

      Issue
      i. John Whalesborough, born 1405. d.s.p. His brother Thomas was his heir. [1]
      ii. Robert Whalesborough. [1]
      iii. William Whalesborough. [1]
      iv. Thomas Whalesborough. See next. [1]
      v. Alice Whalesborough d. 1471, m. John Fitz Rafe. [11,15] [1]
      vi. Esmania Whalesborough, m. Thomas, 7th Lord Scales. [16] [1]
      vii. Anne Whalesborough, d. testate 1 March 1487 m. 1st 1 May 1423 Sir William Moleyns (d. 1429). m. 2nd Edmund Hampdens [17,18,19,20] (Note: As a correction to Leo’s Genealogics, Anne had two daughters, neither of whom was the Catherine Moleyns who married John Howard, Duke of Norfolk. Catherine is actually the daughter of William Moleyns d. 1425 and sister of the William who married Anne Whalesborough. [21,22,23])
      viii. Elizabeth Whalesborough, m. John Hampden. [24, 25] [1] Richardson has Anne Whalesborough the daughter of John Whalesborough, Esq, by Joan, daughter of John Raleigh, Knt. Anne married William Moleyns and had two daughters, Eleanor and Frideswide. [5]
      Sources
      ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 Joe Cochoit. Whalesborough. Soc.genealogy.medieval, June 7, 2010. Accessed 19 August 2020 jhd
      ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 107.
      ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 153-154
      ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 514
      ↑ 5.0 5.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 108.
      ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 573
      ↑ Douglas Richardson. Whalesborough. Soc.genealogy.medieval, June 7, 2010. Accessed 19 August 2020

      ConstituencyDates
      CORNWALL
      1402
      Family and Education
      b.c.1369, s. and h. of John Whalesborough (d.1382) of Whalesborough by his w. Margaret. m. by 1399, Joan (d.1435/6), da. of Sir John Raleigh† of Nettlecombe, Som., 4s. 4da.1

      Offices Held
      Commr. of array, Cornw. Dec. 1399, Aug., Sept. 1403, July 1405; to collect a subsidy Mar. 1404; of inquiry Jan. 1406 (unlawful assemblies).

      J.p. Cornw. 14 Mar. 1403-Feb. 1407.

      Biography
      Whalesborough’s father died while he was still a minor (aged about 13), leaving six manors and three advowsons in Cornwall, all of which were settled on his widow for life should she not remarry. However, she did marry again and a dispute over the wardship of the lands and heir ensued. At first committed to the widow and her second husband, they passed in June 1383 to William, Lord Botreaux, with whom they remained until Whalesborough proved his age in June 1391. According to an extent made the previous year his inheritance was worth £31 6s.8d. p.a.2 Whalesborough seems to have increased this property, for by his death he owned seven manors and extensive lands in Cornwall besides receiving rents at Berrynarbor, Devon. With great care and forethought, and in some detail, he settled these estates for the benefit of his wife and family, beginning in 1401, when Sir John Grenville*, his neighbour at Stow, and other friends acted as feoffees of Tresidder and Lancarffe. Subsequent transactions in 1403 (regarding the manor of Whalesborough) and 1411 (that of Lamellion) provided his wife with a jointure. Then, in July 1417, two further settlements were made for his sons, John and Robert, and finally, in December that year, Perranuthnoe, Trerose and Halwyn, along with three advowsons, were put into the hands of trustees, headed by (Sir) John Colshull II*, presumably in the interest of the heir, Thomas.3

      Only a few other traces of Whalesborough’s activities have survived. He received an episcopal licence for oratories at any of his manor-houses in December 1391, and he and his wife and William their son received a similar one specifically for Whalesborough in June 1400. In 1405 the Crown unsuccessfully disputed Whalesborough’s right to the patronage of the church at St. Mawnan. His land evidently gave him some considerable status in the county. For instance, he was asked to act as arbitrator in a local dispute, and five of his feoffees (Colshull, Grenville, John Arundell II*, Nicholas Broomford* and John But*), at one time or another sat in Parliament. He himself participated in the Cornish elections held in October 1411 and April 1413 at Launceston and Lostwithiel, respectively. Moreover, the connexion with the noble family of Botreaux, begun during his minority, was always maintained.4

      Whalesborough died on 10 Jan. 1418. Custody of his lands and the marriage of his heir, then aged 13, was granted out by the Crown for £100. His widow took as her second husband Sir Thomas Pomeroy*, while one of his daughters married Thomas, Lord Scales, and another William, Lord Moleyns.5

  • Sources 
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