de Munchensy, Warin

Male 1192 - 1255  (63 years)


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  • Name de Munchensy, Warin  [1
    Birth 1192  Gooderstone, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Appointments / Titles Lord of Swanscombe 
    FSID L85K-7PF  [2, 3
    Occupation Landholder and soldier 
    Death 20 Jul 1255  Swaffham, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Burial Aft 20 Jul 1255  England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I35743  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Father de Munchensy, William,   b. 1278, Edwardstone, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 16 Nov 1318, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 40 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother de Munchensy, Alice,   b. 1285, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Between 1317 and 1318, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 32 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Marriage Bef 26 Jun 1278 
    Family ID F14272  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Marshal, Lady Joane,   b. 1202, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1234, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 32 years) 
    Marriage 1222  Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 3
    Children 
     1. de Munchensi, Joan,   b. 1230, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 20 Sep 1307, Valence, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 77 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F14263  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 1192 - Gooderstone, Norfolk, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 1222 - Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 20 Jul 1255 - Swaffham, Norfolk, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - Aft 20 Jul 1255 - England Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Warin and Joan had two children. Refer to life story of Dionisiede Anesty. Dionisiedi was stepmother to Joan and John. John must not have lived very long, because the life stories of Joan de Munchensi refer to her as the surviving child of Warin and Joan Marshall.

      “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “JOAN MARSHAL, married after 1219 (as his 1st wife) WARIN DE MUNCHENSY, Knt., of Swanscombe, Kent, 2nd son of William de Munchensy, Knt., of Swanscombe, Kent, Winfarthing and Gooderstone, Norfolk, etc., by Aveline, daughter of Roger de Clare, Earl of Hertford [see CLARE 4.ii for his ancestry]. He was born about 1192 (came of age in 1213). He was heir about 1208 to his older brother, William de Munchensy. They had one son, John, and one daughter, Joan. He was involved on the side of the Barons against King John, and his lands were forfeited. He was taken prisoner at the Battle of Lincoln 20 May 1217. He returned to allegiance by Nov. 1217. In 1221 he accompanied the king to the Siege of Byham. He was serving in Wales in 1223, with his brother-in-law, William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. He was with the king overseas in 1229-30, and in Wales at the end of 1233. He married (2nd) between November 1234 and June 1235 DENISE DE ANESTY, widow of Walter Langton (died 1234), of Langton, Lincolnshire, and Ridgwell, Essex (brother of Archbishop Stephen Langton), and daughter and heiress of Nicholas de Anesty, of Ansty and Little Hormead, Hertfordshire, Bourn, Cambridgeshire, etc., by ___, sister of Hamon Pecche. They had one son, William. In 1237-8 he and his wife, Denise, acquired 1-1/2 virgate in Bourn, Cambridgeshire from William Haretail. He was serving in Gascony in 1242-44, where he took part in the Battle of Saintes. He was summoned against the Scots in 1244, and, in June 1245, for service in Wales. He was in Gascony again in 1252. He was at Dover 26 Dec. 1254, the day King Henry III appears to have crossed from Boulogne. SIR WARIN DE MUNCHENSY died testate about 20 July 1255. His widow, Denise, married (3rd) before 4 June 1260 ROBERT LE BOTELER (or LE BOTILLER). In 1260 he and his wife, Denise, were granted protection, they then going beyond seas. In 1266 he was granted a safe conduct, he then coming to the king's court. His wife, Denise, again went beyond seas in 1271. ROBERT LE BOTELER died before autumn 1272. In 1294 his widow, Denise, founded the nunnery of Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire. She died shortly before 23 May 1304, and was buried in the church of the Grey Friars, London.
      Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 5 (1825): 271 (Abbey of Tintern, Titulus illorum de Verdon et de Genevill …: "Secunda filia antedicto Willihelmi Marescalli vocabatur Johanna, nupta Warino de Montecaniso, de qua habuit exitum Johannem de Montecaniso qui obiit sine hærede de se, et Johannam sororem ejus nuptam domino Willihelmo de Valentia."). Lipscomb Hist. & Antiqs. of Buckingham 1 (1847): 200-201 (Clare ped.). Clark Earls, Earldom, & Castle of Pembroke (1880): 69-75. Matthew of Paris Chronica Majora 5 (Rolls Ser. 57) (1880):504 (sub AD. 1255: "Obiit eodem tempore nobilis baro, inter omnes Angliae nobiles vel nobilissimus et sapientissimus vel unus de nobilioribus et sapientibus, Warinus de Muntcheinsil ... Dominus autem rex ilico custodiam haeredis ejus nomine Willeimi contulit Willelmo de Valentia fratri suo uterino, qui filiam ejusdem Warini, ut gener ejus esset, desponsaverat."). Stubbs Historical Works of Gervase of Canterbury 2 (Rolls Ser. 73) (1880): 110-111. Francisque-Michel Riles Gascons 1 (1885): 6, 10-11, 30-32, 190. Papal Regs.: Letters 1 (1893): 566 (Denise de Munchensy, foundress of Waterbeach Abbey, styled "king's kinswoman"). Desc. Cat. Ancient Deeds 2 (1894): 91. C.C.R. 1302-1307 (1908): 513. C.P.R. 1258-1266 (1910): 75, 621, 667. C.F.R. 1 (1911): 493. Inv. of the Hist. Monuments in Herefordshire (1911): 12. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 51-56. VCH Hertford 3 (1912): 232-240. Genealogist n.s. 34 (1918): 181-189 (William d'Aubeney, Earl of Arundel, styled "uncle" [avunculus] of Warin de Munchensy in 1213, he being half-brother of Warin's mother, Aveline de Clare). Bourdillon Order of Minoresses in England (1926): 13-16. Powicke Stephen Langton (1928). Pubs Bedfordshire Hist. oc. 13 (1930): Ped. 11 (Lenveyse, Birkin, Anstey ped.). C.P. 9 (1936): 421-422 (sub Munchensy). VCH Cambridge 2 (1948): 292-293; 5 (1973): 4-16. Sanders English Baronies (1960): 63, 144. Clanchy From Memory to Written Record: England 1066-1307 (1993): 197-200, 245. McCash Cultural Patronage of Medieval Women (1996): 245-246, 262-263. Higgitt Murthly Hours (2000): 175. Gee Women, Art & Patronage from Henry III to Edward III: 1216-1377 (2002): 75-76, 142. Lawrence Letters of Adam Marsh 1 (2006): 56-63.”
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      From Medieval Lands:
      WARIN [II] de Munchensy, son of WILLIAM de Munchensy & his wife Aveline de Clare (-[20 Jul 1255]). "Guarinus de Munchainesy" paid a fine for "hereditarie" with "W. com Arundell avunculus ipsius Warini" acting as guarantor, dated 23 Dec 1213[1708]. William Earl of Arundel was the son of the second husband of Warin’s maternal grandmother. "…Warinus de Muntchenesi…" witnessed a document dated 25 Aug 1223[1709].
      Bracton records a claim, dated 1224, by "Warinus de Monte Canisio" against "Walterum de Godarduilla" requesting "feodum…in Wicham" which had been held by "Willelmo de Monte Canisio fratre eiusdem Warini cuius heres ipse est dum fuit infra etatem"[1710].
      Bracton records a claim, dated 1224, by "Prior de Suwere" against "Warinum de Monte Canisio" for "ecclesiam de Suanescamp…advocacionem" which "comitissa Cecilia avia sua" [Cecilia Countess of Hereford, Warin’s great-aunt not his grandmother] granted to "Jacobum le Sauuage"[1711].
      Bracton records a claim in 1232 made by “Warinus de Monte Canisio” against “Adam de Kailly et Mabiliam uxorem eius...Isabellam de Friuilla...Matillidem Giffard” for land “in Luddeduna” inherited from “Cecilia [...comitissa] antecess sua...quia obiit sine herede de se descendit...Agneti...sorori et heredi et quia ipse Willelmus obiit sine herede...de se descendit...isti Warino...fratri et heredi suo”, and that the defendants replied that “Cecilia comitissa” had given the land, which “Willelmus de Pictavia...virum suum” held for one knight’s fee, to “Ricardo Giffard patri predictarum Mabilie et Isabelle...Osbertus filius Ricardi” and that “mortuo predicto Willelmo” Cecilia had married “Walterum de Meinne”[1712]. "Warin de Montechanes and Denise his wife" were granted rights "in the demesne lands of Rodewell" dated 21 Oct 1242[1713].

      m firstly JOAN Marshal, daughter of WILLIAM Marshal Earl of Pembroke & his wife Isabel de Clare Ctss of Pembroke. The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire, names (in order) ”Matilda…Johanna…Isabella” as the daughters of “Willielmi Marescalli comitis Penbrochiæ”[1714]. The same source records in a later passage that "secunda filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Johanna" married "Warino de Montecaniso" by whom she was mother of "Johannem de Montecaniso" who died childless and "Johannam sororem eius" who married "domino Willihelmo de Valentia"[1715].

      m secondly ([Nov 1234/Jun 1235]) as her second husband, DENISE de Anesty, widow of WALTER Langton of Langton, Lincolnshire and Ridgewell, Essex, daughter of NICHOLAS de Anesty of Ansty and Little Hormead, Hertfordshire & his wife --- (-1304, bur London Grey Friars Church).
      An order dated 15 Jun 1235 records a claim brought by "Warinum de Munchanes et Dionisiam uxorem eius" against "magistrum Simonem de Langet archidiaconum Cantuarie" to enforce payment of “dote ipsius Dionisie”[1716]. "Warin de Montechanes and Denise his wife" were granted rights "in the demesne lands of Rodewell" dated 21 Oct 1242[1717]. She married thirdly (before 29 Sep 1260) [Robert/Richard] Butyller.

      Warin [II] & his first wife had two children:

      1. JOHN de Munchensy (-[Jun] 1247). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Johannem de Montecaniso" as the son of "Warino de Montecaniso" and his wife, adding that he died childless[1718].

      2. JOAN de Munchensy (-1307 before 20 Sep). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Johannam" as the daughter of "Warino de Montecaniso" and his wife, adding that she married "domino Willihelmo de Valentia"[1719]. Matthew of Paris names her and her father when he records her marriage[1720]. A charter dated 13 Aug 1247 ordered "William de Valence the king’s brother and Joan his wife to have seisin of the lands which belonged to John de Muntchesny of the inheritance of Walter Marshall late Earl of Pembroke, and which after John’s death ought to descend to Joan as his sister and heir"[1721]. m (before 13 Aug 1247) GUILLAUME de Lusignan "de Valence", son of HUGUES [XI] "le Brun" de Lusignan Comte de la Marche et d'Angoulême & his wife Isabelle Ctss d'Angoulême ([Cistercian Abbey of Valence, near Lusignan] after 1225[1722]-in England [1294/18 May 1296], bur Westminster Abbey). He styled himself Lord of Pembroke, he was never invested with the earldom of Pembroke[1723].

      Warin [II] & his second wife had one child:

      3. WILLIAM de Munchensy (-Drylswyn Castle, near Carmarthen before 16 Sep 1287, bur Dereham). m AMICE, daughter of ---. William & his wife had one child:

      a) DENISE de Munchensy (before 22 Jul 1283-before 13 Apr 1314). m firstly JOHN de Hull of Hill Croome, Worcestershire, son of ---. m secondly (after 12 Jun 1294) HUGH de Vere, son of ROBERT de Vere Earl of Oxford & his wife Alice de Sanford ([Jun 1258/Mar1259]-after 22 May 1319). He was summoned to parliament 6 Feb 1298, whereby he is held to have become Lord Vere.

      [Source: Medieval Lands, "Warin [II] de Muchensy", downloaded 8 August 2018, dvmansur, see link in Sources.]

  • Sources 
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      http://fmg.ac/

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