d'Amiens, Count Richard II

Male 785 - 824  (39 years)


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  • Name d'Amiens, Richard  [1, 2
    Title Count 
    Suffix II 
    Birth 785  Lyons, Rhône, Rhône-Alpes, France Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    Appointments / Titles Comte d'Amiens et Lommois  [1
    Appointments / Titles Between 787 and 795  Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Count 
    House Carolingian 
    FSID L234-H37  [1
    Title Count of Denmark 
    Death 824  Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2
    Person ID I34346  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Family ID F13523  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family d'Spoleto, Engelberga,   b. 790, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. DECEASED, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. of Gorze, Bivin,   b. 810, Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 11 Jan 863, Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 53 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F13522  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 785 - Lyons, Rhône, Rhône-Alpes, France Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsAppointments / Titles - Count - Between 787 and 795 - Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 824 - Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_d%27Amiens

      Richard Amiens is a count of Amiens early ix th century .

      We do not know much about this Carolingian count. According to Nithard He enjoyed great respect from Charlemagne .

      “That same day Angilbert , an illustrious man, was transferred to Saint-Riquier, and twenty-nine years after his death his body was found preserved intact, although it had been buried without aromatics; he was a man from a well-known family at the time. Madhelgaud, Richard and he were of the same race and rightly enjoyed great consideration by Charlemagne. Angilbert had by Berthe, daughter of this great king, my brother Harnied and myself; he had an admirable work built in Saint-Riquier in honor of Almighty God and of Saint Riquier; he governed the house entrusted to him marvelously. Having died in Saint-Riquier in all happiness, he entered into eternal peace. After having said a few words about my origin, I return to the course of the story. "

      - Nithard, Histoire des dissensions des fils de Louis le Débonnaire , Book IV [ archive ]

      According to the Europäische Stammtafeln , he would have been count of Amiens 1 .

      Family
      At the beginning of xx th century , Joseph and Maurice Depoin Thatch studied family relations and reached the conclusion that it could be small-son of Count Jerome , son of Charles Martel and father of Richard ostiaire and Bivin . They started from a text by the historian Richer which says that the emperor Louis III the Blind was of royal race, but tainted with bastardy at the level of his tritavus, that is to say its ancestor in the sixth generation. Chronologically, only Jérôme corresponds to this definition. The family of Louis III contains several people of the first name of Richard, a first name then rare in the Frankish aristocracy, but which can be compared to that of Recared , carried by two kings of the Visigoths . However, Jérôme was married in second marriage to a Gothe princess, who could very well have transmitted this first name of Richard. In the reconstruction of the ancestry of Louis III, there are two generations whose names are unknown, which could very well be a Richard , count of Rouen cited in 781 and in 791 and Richard d'Amiens 2 .

      The fact that Angilbert was the son of a Nithard and a Richarda suggests how Angilbert and Richard were of the same race. Then, in the next generation, there is a Richilde wife of Ecchard , count of Autun, of Mâcon and of Chalon. Ecchard died childless and Boson , son of Bivin, succeeded Ecchard in two of the three counties. This succession could be explained if Boson is a nephew of Richilde 2 .

      1 Wilhelm Karl von Isenburg, Europäische Stammtafeln , Band II, Taffel 676.

      2 Christian Settipani , La Préhistoire des Capétiens ( New genealogical history of the august house of France , vol. 1) , Villeneuve-d'Ascq, ed. Patrick van Kerrebrouck,1993, 545 p. ( ISBN 978-2-95015-093-6 ) , p. 363-366.

  • Sources 
    1. [S791] WORLD: Ancestry Family Trees.
      https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/42/

    2. [S818] NETHERLANDS: GenealogieOnline Trees Index 1000-Current.
      https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9289/