de Munchensi, Joan

Female 1230 - 1307  (77 years)


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  • Name de Munchensi, Joan  [1, 2
    Birth 1230  Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Gender Female 
    Appointments / Titles Countess of Pembroke 
    Appointments / Titles Lady of Swanscombe 
    FSID KNHK-TVL  [3, 4, 5, 6, 7
    Death 20 Sep 1307  Valence, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2
    Burial 30 Sep 1307  Swanscombe, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I35741  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Father de Munchensy, Warin,   b. 1192, Gooderstone, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 20 Jul 1255, Swaffham, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 63 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Marshal, Lady Joane,   b. 1202, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1234, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 32 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Marriage 1222  Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 8
    Family ID F14263  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family de Valence, Sir William,   b. 1226, Valence, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 18 May 1296, Brabourne, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 70 years) 
    Marriage 13 Aug 1247  Valence, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4, 5, 6, 7
    Children 
     1. de Valence, Isabel,   b. 1262, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 5 Oct 1305, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 43 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F14262  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 1230 - Pembrokeshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 13 Aug 1247 - Valence, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 20 Sep 1307 - Valence, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - 30 Sep 1307 - Swanscombe, Kent, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • https://www.geni.com/people/Joan-de-Valence-Lady-of-Swanscombe/6000000008204424740?through=6000000003827698287

      Joan de Munchensi or Munchensy (or Joanna), Lady of Swanscombe and Countess of Pembroke (c. 1230 – aft. 20 September 1307), was the daughter of Joan Marshal and granddaughter of William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke and Isabel de Clare, 4th Countess of Pembroke suo jure.

      Family
      William Marshal was the great Lord Marshal who served five successive Kings of England and died in 1219. William's five sons each in turn became Earl of Pembroke, but all died childless. His inheritance was thus divided among his daughters. Joan Marshal, the fourth daughter, married Warin de Munchensi (or Munchensy), Lord of Swanscombe. They were survived by one daughter, Joan de Munchensi, who (owing to Joan Marshal's death soon after her daughter's birth) was brought up by her stepmother, Warin's second wife, Dionisie de Munchensi.

      Marriage and children
      In 1247 three sons of Hugh X of Lusignan, in difficulties after the French annexation of their territories, accepted Henry III's invitation to come to England. The three were William of Valence, Guy of Lusignan and Aymer. The king found important positions for all of them and William was soon married to Joan. Her portion of the Marshal estates included the castle and lordship of Pembroke and the lordship of Wexford in Ireland. The custody of Joan's property was entrusted to her husband. She also, apparently, transmitted to him the title of Earl of Pembroke; he thus became the first of the de Valence holders of the earldom.

      William of Valence died in 1296. Accounts of the offspring of William and Joan vary, but all say that there were five children, others seven including the last two:

      1. Isabel de Valence (d. 5 October 1305), married before 1280 John Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings (6 May 1262 – 10 February 1313). Their grandson Lawrence later became earl of Pembroke. They had:
      - William Hastings (1282 – 1311)
      - John Hastings, 2nd Baron Hastings (29 September 1286 – 20 January 1325), married to Juliane de Leybourne (d. 1367)
      - Sir Hugh Hastings of Sutton (d. 1347)
      2. Joan de Valence, married to John Comyn (the "Red Comyn"), Lord of Badenoch (d. murdered, 10 February 1306), and had
      - Elizabeth de Comyn (1 November 1299 – 20 November 1372), married to Richard Talbot, 2nd Baron Talbot
      3. John de Valence (d. January 1277)
      4. William de Valence (d. in battle in Wales on 16 June 1282), created Seigneur de Montignac and Bellac
      5. Aymer de Valence, 2nd Earl of Pembroke and Wexford in 1296 (c. 1270 – 23 June 1324), married firstly to Beatrice de Clermont and married secondly to Marie de Châtillon
      6. Margaret de Valence
      7. Agnes de Valence (b. about 1250)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_de_Munchensi

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      From Medieval Lands:

      JOAN de Munchensy (-1307 before 20 Sep). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Johannam" as the daughter of "Warino de Montecaniso" and his wife, adding that she married "domino Willihelmo de Valentia"[1719]. Matthew of Paris names her and her father when he records her marriage[1720]. A charter dated 13 Aug 1247 ordered "William de Valence the king’s brother and Joan his wife to have seisin of the lands which belonged to John de Muntchesny of the inheritance of Walter Marshall late Earl of Pembroke, and which after John’s death ought to descend to Joan as his sister and heir"[1721]. m (before 13 Aug 1247) GUILLAUME de Lusignan "de Valence", son of HUGUES [XI] "le Brun" de Lusignan Comte de la Marche et d'Angoulême & his wife Isabelle Ctss d'Angoulême ([Cistercian Abbey of Valence, near Lusignan] after 1225[1722]-in England [1294/18 May 1296], bur Westminster Abbey). He styled himself Lord of Pembroke, he was never invested with the earldom of Pembroke.

      Medieval Lands, "JOAN de Munchensy"

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      Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson, Vol. 1 pg 58, 232; Vol. 3 pg 254; Vol. 4 pg 48-49
      ... daughter of Warin de Munchensy, Knt., of Swanscombe, Kent, and Winfarthing and Gooderstone, Norfolk.

      (She) maried 13 Aug 1247 William de Valence. They had three sons, John, William, and Aymer, Knt. [Earl of Pembroke], and four daughters, Agnes, Isabel, Margaret, and Joan.

      His wife, Joan, was heiress to her brother, John de Munchensy. His widow, Joan, presented to the churches of Cowarne, Herefordshire, 1304, and Goodrich Castle, Herefordshire, 1306.

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